SubJeff on 20/9/2008 at 14:43
The regulations in the UK are very different to those in other countries Carini. Afaik you don't need a license (like in the UK) in the US or in France.
Ko0K on 23/9/2008 at 01:27
I just received California voter information guide in the mail, and one of the propositions is an initiative to establish standards for confining farm animals, which I never even heard of until just now. This "requires that certain farm animals be allowed, for the majority of every day, to fully extend their limbs or wings, lie down, stand up and turn around." So, I guess that means these animals have been confined to what amounts to living coffins. I knew these farms were crowded, but I had no idea that the animals were crammed so tight that they couldn't even turn around. I'm starting to think that there should be a bigger demand for free-range farms. Kudos to California for getting this on the ballot; hopefully this is merely the beginning of something better to come.
D'Juhn Keep on 23/9/2008 at 13:22
Quote Posted by Kolya
These lessons are part of the holidays etiquette program, I suspect.
Yeah, it's just after the section on throwing German tourists' towels off the sunloungers
Kolya on 23/9/2008 at 14:00
Don't! Don't!
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Ah damn, why did you do that? :erg:
D'Juhn Keep on 23/9/2008 at 15:55
Derren Brown made me do it
Quote Posted by catbarf
Are all British 'children' so susceptible that they will electrocute a kitten because a guy told them not to?
I mean, FFS, there are a hell of a lot more stressful situations than being in a room with a kitten. I understand the extenuating context, but her reaction is just surreal.
No doubt you think you're so incredibly special and strong willed that it wouldn't work on you but perhaps you should watch some of the numerous other Derren Brown clips on Youtube to see just how vulnerable your psyche can be
ercles on 24/9/2008 at 05:53
Organic/Free Range. Problem Solved.
gunsmoke on 25/9/2008 at 02:40
I used to work at the Herman Falter (
http://www.faltersmeats.com/) http://www.faltersmeats.com/ meat packing plant/slaughterhouse. Yeah, the meat industry is outrageous, and I could tell you stories that'd keep you off meat for life...but it's pointless. The industry is HEAVILY regulated, and it is constantly monitored (by USDA agents on the floor at all times) and improving itself. Guys at work used to tell me how much worse it was 20-30 years ago, and how it is amazing the positive changes they have witnessed in their careers.
BEAR on 25/9/2008 at 03:47
I've seen several modern marvels on the exact subject, and while they tend to paint an overly optimistic picture, it is a lot better than it was in the past.
That seems to be a trend in things I notice: no matter how much we bitch, things are improving and you would be hard pressed to find a better time really and truely.
You can't expect to stop everything. There will always be things like this, and people will be sickened and it will tighten restrictions for a little while. The trick is to just keep improving regulation and letting it evolve to fit the situation and accept the risks of a meat heavy society. I do wonder if we're going to hit peak production at some point.
By that I mean the point at where it just gets more and more inefficient to produce meat to the point where the speed and efficiency with which we will have to kill animals will become unacceptable by moral standards (like that automatic chicken killing machine that came out a little while ago, unless that was a joke).
