Renzatic on 13/5/2019 at 07:20
Though all things considered, I'm coming to the conclusion that GoT is ultimately doomed by its source material. That there's so much story left for GRRM to tell, that it's all of such grand scope, and that there's only so much budget that HBO can give the show, these last 2 truncated seasons worth of episodes were destined to read like the cliff notes version of what's probably the true intended ending.
Nothing that happened tonight came entirely out of left field, but since we're being delivered the fast forwarded version of the story, scenes that could've given tonight's events more impact, given it all more detail, have been glossed over, so it all feels like it's building things up way too fast.
That's not to say I'm not enjoying it, but I think that the show needed 3 full seasons to flesh things out, and HBO probably couldn't afford it.
PigLick on 13/5/2019 at 07:58
holy christ the first few pages of this, what a time it was
Gryzemuis on 13/5/2019 at 12:10
Quote Posted by Renzatic
and that there's only so much budget that HBO can give the show, these last 2 truncated seasons worth of episodes were destined to read like the cliff notes version of what's probably the true intended ending.
HBO told D&D that they could do 10 episodes per season, for seasons 7 and 8. Despite that, they chose to do 7 & 6 episodes. Grrm has told them he thought they needed 3 season (7, 8 and 9) to wrap up the story properly. That was another 30 episodes after season 6. D&D chose to do it in 13 episodes. GoT was the biggest hit-series of HBO. I don't they think they wanted it to end. In fact, they encouraged D&D to take more time. They were ok with more seasons. But D&D didn't take the opportunity. They could have done a better job, but they didn't care.
I think D&D were tired of the show. It was 10+ years of their life. They were done with it. They had gotten their praise. They had gotten their reputations out of the show, which will allow them to find work for the rest of their lives. They have a new contract with Disney to do Star Wars things. They didn't care about GoT anymore. It's that simple. It also became clear that D&D were good at adapting stories to the screen. They are not good at writing.
It's a shame. The root cause of course was the fact that GRRM is a lazy bastard. Who couldn't plan properly. And was overly optimistic about what he could achieve. He had the opportunity to create the greatest fantasy series ever written or showed on screen. But he messed it up. I doubt him releasing the books will fix that. I doubt he will finish the books even.
PigLick on 13/5/2019 at 12:36
greatest fantasy series ever written, bold words my friend even if it was just an opportunity
actually wouldnt mind hearing from stitch, scots what they thought of the finale
also can you stop saying "D&D" cos all I can think of is owlbears
Renault on 13/5/2019 at 16:16
Someone said somewhere that the final 2 books are done, and that GRRM has a contractual deal with HBO to not release them until the show is complete. Probably total BS, but who knows.
icemann on 13/5/2019 at 16:16
Dungeons and Dragons for me. Which GoT has heaps of.
I think GoT has fallen into the exact same pit that many anime fell into, where they were following the source material (manga in this case), then reached the point where the final few seasons weren't written yet, so went off on their own tangent, to their detriment. Many anime have fallen victim to that. All had sucky to average final seasons.
For me, it was the final battle with the army of the Night King that was the biggest disappointment. Too many characters had plot armor. Don't get me wrong, it was the most epic battle I've ever seen on TV. But half of it, you couldn't see because it was too dark.
Season 8 should have been 100% about the battle with the Night King, then have another season or so to THEN deal with Cercei.
Gryzemuis on 13/5/2019 at 17:41
I had written down some words about GoT and the producers here.
I just watched S08E05.
I think every word written, every thought about this tv-series, is wasted.
Gryzemuis on 13/5/2019 at 22:07
Quote Posted by Brethren
Someone said somewhere that the final 2 books are done, and that GRRM has a contractual deal with HBO to not release them until the show is complete. Probably total BS, but who knows.
Just so you know: this rumour irritated GRRM so much, that today he actually responded to it.
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http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/13/idiocy-on-the-internet/)
Renault on 13/5/2019 at 23:01
Wish you hadn't edited/deleted that last entry Gryz. It made a whole lot of sense and provided some great insight into the differences between the show and the books.
