Darkness_Falls on 4/5/2022 at 02:22
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A new NuThief game? No, thanks. As a Thief fan, I don't want another trash. We don't need Thief games anymore.
As a Thief fan, I need more Thief games :)
I believe it is perfectly possible to have a new Thief game that is good.
downwinder on 4/5/2022 at 06:40
here is a weird idea for a thief 4 game have it be both a post thief 3 game with flashbacks on pre thief 1,let me explain a little bit,game starts out right after events of thief 3 ending,time travel gets discovered and garrett has a opportunity to go back in time to change things from events from past games,so it can have elements of older games but also done in a new way where you can go back to when the hag was a young keeper,to karrass going up the ranks from a hammer to a mech leader,game would also have many ending depending on what you do in game,just an idea to be able to add lore also go back on old games in series and add great new game play,have a chance to save cutty from cragscleft,save farkus from that arrow,have a way to add a burrick companion,add a layer of mages magic as keeper magic is gone,possibly ally with the woodsie lord and change history,save viktoria from her death,so many amazing ending could be discovered,garrett maybe leaves keepers to marry viktoria,help basso get off the sauce,revisit old friends like brother muras,you get the idea :)ohh yeah save that one guy from the tombs/he is dead by the time you get there cant believe i forgot his name,raise a frog beast in your home location,grow glow mushroom,as flares are kinda a lame item in thief my view
ohh yeah i also feel the murlocks are a great addition to thief universe and should be involved in some way,they never forgot about the crown we took
Tomi on 4/5/2022 at 08:16
Quote Posted by downwinder
here is a weird idea for a thief 4 game have it be both a post thief 3 game with flashbacks on pre thief 1,let me explain a little bit,game starts out right after events of thief 3 ending,time travel gets discovered
Hey how about this idea? Garrett discovers time travel but ends up in an alternate universe where many of the same places and Garrett's acquaintances exist by name but they're very different even Garrett himself has changed and his vocal cords have been altered when traveling through time (time travel sometimes has funny side effects like that) so he even sounds different! Crazy but pretty cool huh? To spice things up Garrett's hometown in this alternate universe is plagued by some nasty disease and people are overly violent and they swear a lot to make this game seem like a
proper game for adults and not some silly children's game with made-up swear words. I think that is the most important feature about this new game. To make things better Garrett has a sidekick maybe a young edgy woman and they could have a romance. Well no maybe that's a bit too much but just imagine little Garrett babies lol. Garrett and his sidekick are chased by this evil guy who likes to call himself General and True Thief 4 ends when Garrett saves the world from the evil guys and the plague. As a cliffhanger this General character turns out to be Dewdrop in disguise and he has caused a rip in time-space continuum and that explains why nothing in the alternate universe seems to make any sense so in Thief 5 Garrett must track him down and kill him so that he can return to his own world and maybe even get his normal voice back. Hopefully someone from Embracer Group is following this thread. :thumb:
Tomi on 4/5/2022 at 21:02
Quote Posted by Outsider One
There is no guarantee for a good Thief game. Sorry, if you call yourself a Thief fan, then you should know that the remaster of the trilogy is more necessary than making another risky Thief game.
Of course there's no guarantee that any future Thief game will be a good one. Even if they make one, it's almost certainly going to be quite different to the old games. However, if they never make another new Thief game, I
can guarantee that we're not getting another good Thief game. :p
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We don't need another Thief games anymore after last one's failures. In my country, the trilogy has no value because of NuThief, and as I see from other foreign reviews, it is the same in many countries. Many people thinks NuThief is a great game. They don't even try to play the trilogy. We don't need another NuThief to ruin the trilogy again. There is no point for making another one nowadays. There are more people than here who love Thief and devoted themselves to the series. They don't want to see the series butchered again like the last one's did.
I'm not sure if I follow your logic here. You seem to forget that The Dark Project for example is nearly 25 years old, so it's hardly a surprise that it's not on the top of the shopping list for the newer generations of gamers. I strongly disagree about the original trilogy "having no value because of NuThief" though - in fact I think it's the other way around! Thief 2014 got mostly average reviews in most places, but I can't remember (m)any reviews that didn't mention the original games in positive light, calling them classics and everything, and for a good reason of course. They
are classics, and far from being forgotten.
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I prefer remaster of the trilogy and playing the community made fan missions forever than see a new Thief game.
Why can't you have both though? I'd rather see a new Thief game
and play the older games as well when I feel like it. I'll just never understand the logic that a new entry to a series would destroy the legacy of the old games, or whatever, especially in this case where the new entry isn't even connected to the classics, so you can't mess up the lore and stuff. You can just pretend that Thief 2014 never happened. I won't do that, but I also hope that any new Thief game would just ditch the reboot universe.
What kind of a remaster are you talking about anyway? Just a graphical overhaul? If so, what's wrong with the fan-made patches, or the GOG version of Thief for example? (I assume that it comes with NewDark and some of the "essential" mods - correct me if I'm wrong!) Or would you like to see some gameplay improvements too, new features even? That's a dangerous route to take, because when you (try to) fix one thing, you'll often just break another. The end result would still be quite different, too different for many. Having said that, I would be disappointed if a new Thief release - even an official new "remaster" - had the same AI from the original games and the broken melee combat was left untouched. I doubt that such a remaster would bring back the golden age of Thief either.
downwinder on 4/5/2022 at 21:58
lol tomi being sarcastic,i never even played thief 2014 and i know what you were saying
but thank you for the laugh
and leave dewdrop put of it :P
Darkness_Falls on 6/5/2022 at 14:06
This was a nice quote, if you're like me and want a new Thief game.
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The press release continued, stating... "Embracer sees an opportunity to invest in these franchises (Tomb Raider and Deus Ex), as well as the additional acquired IPs such as Legacy of Kain,
Thief, and other original franchises.”
From here: (
https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/05/05/embracer-group-acquires-crystal-dynamics-eidos-montreal-and-square-enix-montreal-includes-tomb-raider-and-deus-ex/amp/)
I prefer a different studio than SE Montreal or Eidos Montreal work on Thief, though. Based on Thief 2014 and tweets from studio leadership afterward, I get the sense they didn't really understand Thief DNA or made a conscious decision to deviate heavily from it, and really in their hearts don't want to make another Thief.
If there is a studio in Europe that Embracer Group has, I feel that would be a safer bet to get working on Thief. European players seem to have passion and understanding for Thief ... plus, they probably have easier access to amazing architectural and cultural resources and inspiration (castles, keeps, mansions, streets, towns, etc. that are very old). Something in me just thinks there's a better chance of getting a truer "Thief" experience if it is developed in Europe.
Estel Randir on 6/5/2022 at 18:37
I think the biggest draw to an official modern graphic remaster of iconic games such as Thief (and maybe Oblivion) is the possibility of a 64bit version. Even if the official version was not exactly what the community wanted, this could open up nearly unlimited possibilities for modding. 4k, 8k thief anyone? I wish I had the resources and rights to make 64bit versions of many classic open world games that have thousands of fan mods.
ZylonBane on 6/5/2022 at 18:44
Quote Posted by Estel Randir
I think the biggest draw to an official modern graphic remaster of iconic games such as Thief (and maybe Oblivion) is the possibility of a 64bit version. Even if the official version was not exactly what the community wanted, this could open up nearly unlimited possibilities for modding. 4k, 8k thief anyone?
You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no connection between the bitness of a game's executable and the screen resolution it can run at, nor how much it can be modded.
Oregano on 6/5/2022 at 23:29
My first and foremost request would be to allow Nightdive Studios to make remasters (NOT remakes!) of the classic Thief trilogy. They already have experience remastering games made in the Dark Engine since they worked on System Shock 2 Enhanced Edition and did a wonderful job with it. If theres one studio out there that I trust in staying faithful to the original games while updating all 3 of them to modern machines is Nightdive.
