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Chade on 7/5/2013 at 05:45
GDM, I have played (some of the) MM games and older LGS games. MM6 was one of my formative gaming experiences. I agree that these games are part of the same lineage, but I don't see any reason to believe that these games had an unusually large influence on thief.
Now I haven't played anywhere near as many of these games as you, but there are many people in TTLG who were gaming over the same time frames. I can't recall anyone else on these forums coming to the same conclusions as you.
I did a quick internet search before responding to you earlier, looking for evidence to support your claims. Again, the only person I could find making these connections was you.
I know that these games share the same lineage. I don't think your claims are completely out of the question, and I'm genuinely interested in hearing more evidence. But without that evidence, it just looks like you're seeing what you want to see.
twisty on 7/5/2013 at 06:50
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
It just boils my knickers that no one here seems to have played the Ultima or Might Magic series, the two games that pioneered the open world exploration concept. They did it first, and they did it masterfully. LGS was a chip off the old block. Some people seem to think that LGS was nothing until they made The Dark Project. From time to time I may delight briefly in puzzling uneducated gamers about these things, but I have no interest in pursuing it any further than that. And again, Im just soooooo sorry.
LGS had nothing to do with Ultima or MM. The UU world games were a spinoff of Ultima.
jtr7 on 7/5/2013 at 07:05
You aren't understanding the nature of the connections being referenced.
Nuth on 7/5/2013 at 08:04
Yeah, the UU games were what hooked me on 1st-person fantasy games(I was more of a flight-sim addict prior to that.) I didn't really keep track of the names of game developers in those days, but I was not surprised to learn that they were some of the same people responsible for Thief.
jtr7 on 7/5/2013 at 08:26
Not to mention, LGS devs played those games, were fans of the games or familiar enough with them, or turned onto them in short order, and referenced them for concepts, tributes, teases, the same with movies and books and art.
Vae on 7/5/2013 at 10:28
Quote Posted by Tomi
You must
really be looking forward to the T4 vs. old Thief "war" and all the drama that comes with it.
In truth, it could be quite fun...Yet, I think we would much prefer a NuThief game we could all embrace and love.
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I can't see anything wrong with "stealing" the best features from other games...
...Other than it becoming an unoriginal, derivative game...that's not uniquely THIEF.
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...the older games are
not so perfect that they can't be improved in any way.
Yes, they can...as long as the improvements are original ideas, that congruently expand from the core design.
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I don't think that there ever was much to
explore in classic Thief anyway.
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https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3018396/Misc/omg.gifjtr7 on 7/5/2013 at 10:40
When hearing of a new Thief game in development we've looked forward to an improved Thief game, not a hybrid of selling points of other games. The list of things a new Thief experience could improve upon is quite large, and thousands of Thiefy improvements and wishes have been posted since before the turn of the century. But somehow it's our fault none of it is noticed by the naysayers. Don't realize there's a large exploration factor in Thief, then it's no surprise there's no realization of all the things we'd like to see improved upon from each title that we've spelled out in detail many many times all these years. None of the games are perfect, but the flaws can be improved and the strengths can be maximized. How certain people keep coming to the desperate and empty conclusion that dislike with a sequel means the original is flawless just confirms many unfavorable traits not worth bragging about, but worth getting the hell away from.
I don't enjoy the flamewars, but that's all we have, and it's all you want, really. Any attempts to talk about Thief are met with silence or flamers. I've said it before, more than once, the bickering is more entertaining to people here than the video games they compulsively buy and never play or play briefly and never again. I would hope someone would make a game that was more rewarding and entertaining than forum bickering, but alas, not in 13 years. I don't look forward to it, it's coming, and worse, it's already here.
You can't be so obvious in subverting and burying constructive and happy posts under flaming garbage and declarations based on the falsehood that there are no happy and constructive posts.
New Horizon on 7/5/2013 at 12:45
Quote Posted by jtr7
When hearing of a new Thief game in development we've looked forward to an improved
Thief game, not a hybrid of
selling points of other games.
That sums it up quite nicely.
I was very excited and proud when I heard Eidos Montreal was going to be making Thief, hey I'm Canadian after all and Montreal is a beautiful city. I visited Montreal not long after the announcement. The historic sections of Old Montreal are quite inspiring. I had hoped it would hold inspiration for the EM team, like the historic areas of Boston might have helped inspire LGS.
EM seem to think they're only ignoring the history of the 3 previous games with their "creative" choices, but what they don't seem to grasp is that they're also ignoring hundreds of Fan Missions based on that world. The body of work produced goes beyond the 3 official titles. It is larger than they can even seem to grasp. The heart of Thief is the community of fans and authors who have maintained it throughout the years.
Any faith I had in EM to do this title justice has been obliterated by their actions. They can keep 'saying' they're preserving the DNA or whatever marketing speak they've come up with, but in the end we are 'what we do' and not 'what we say' we are.
SubJeff on 7/5/2013 at 18:16
Does anyone have any idea how many fan missions there are in total now?
In 2005 there were about 400.
nickie on 7/5/2013 at 18:33
A quick look at thiefmissions.com shows 1004.
