Goldmoon Dawn on 10/4/2013 at 21:54

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Ah yes, of course.

I see.

Its not that I am surprised that you would have this information, its just that I always thought of The Cloister as the heart and soul of Return To The Haunted Cathedral in the seminal classic rpg Thief: The Dark Project. :ebil: :ebil:.

Springheel on 10/4/2013 at 22:47

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What reason is there to think a gameplay vid is coming out imminently?

marrow monkey on 10/4/2013 at 23:02

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As you are well aware thiefessa, the way EM has treated the fans before, that could mean anything from a week to a few years but maybe you know something is about to be released?

sNeaksieGarrett on 10/4/2013 at 23:12

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Okay, reading that list a couple pages back or whatever was definitely frown-worthy in parts, I am not ashamed to admit. HOWEVER, that said, it's entirely possible that we're being misdirected (unintentionally - or if you want, intentionally. :() by this "demo" and when the more concrete footage comes out it may not actually be like that demo. (Or at least, a bit different.)

In fact, I think it's been said already that some things in the demo will be changed or that it's like that for the sake of showing the game off, if you will. (Which, admittedly, if true, is a rather terrible way to show off your game that you've been working on for years.) In other words, that demo may be a misrepresentation of what it actually will be like closer to THIEF's release. As someone said in an earlier post, (jay pettit or jason moyer? can't remember off the top of my head, sorry) the demo is like a 'vertical slice' of the game and can't really be representative of the final game, although it should help give you some kind of idea of what the final game will be like. (Did it? Only time will tell.)

On the topic of the "roll" or whatever it is, I actually agree it's ridiculous. However, since it is optional to use, I won't use it. Problem solved. Not like they are going to force you to use it, it's just an option. At least that's how I'm interpreting it. In other words, Garrett won't automatically roll when you want to move from one shadow to another, it will require the player to press a button or key. I don't think it should be in the game, and I don't like it, but I'm not going to avoid the game because of this minor flaw.

Granted there are some other things about this game that I've heard so far that I frown at, but I still can't fully condemn or praise the game yet. That said, that doesn't mean I can't be cautiously optimistic about the game, which is directed at you jtr7. You made it seem like me being optimistic is just as misguided as being negative about the game, but the problem is that you misunderstand my stance. If things are shown to me to be negative, then I'll be negative. I'm not so one sided, and that is what frustrates me because a lot of people, including yourself, have already made up their minds about the game and 'that's final.':erg: There's grey area here, not just praise or condemnation.

Also jtr7, I don't think most of the time we don't understand you, we just don't agree as someone else said in a previous post. Another thing that I've noticed is you keep defending your point of view as if everyone agrees with you, which is simply not true. Sure, there's a lot of folks that probably have similar or same opinions as you on these boards, but you keep acting like anyone who isn't in agreement with you doesn't understand or something. To add to that, you repeatedly pointing out that you're "not a gamer" makes you even less qualified to act as though you know how everyone feels around here. I'd argue that a lot of people are "gamers" here, although that's probably not a majority but a significant portion of the populace at least.

Finally, I feel like there should be some rule about formatting posts properly on this board. Really is hard to read one long wall of text with no breaks. I certainly don't want to read through that, and I'll be happy to modify my behavior too if you find my posts are hard to read. In fact, this post turned out to be longer than I thought it was going to, so I hope it was fairly easy to read.

Edit: I forgot about the binary shadow thing. Yeah, I don't like that at all. If this turns out to be accurate, that really limits the gameplay. Although, I guess it simplifies things, and a lot of people will welcome that. The other thing that I find particularly odd is how Garrett can hide in a guard's shadow. In the real world, if there's light in front but I'm standing behind a person in shadow and there's another person walking towards the person that I'm standing behind, that person should be able to see me, right? OR at least notice some sort of shape. I guess it'd also depend on the angle the person is walking though too actually.

thiefessa on 10/4/2013 at 23:41

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Oh yeah, I remember the "Coming Soon" stuff... I was really thinking about the shorter, specific time periods.
Yes, there has been plenty of silence.
As mentioned, I think we need to determine what a "few days" is. :idea:
The gameplay footage should be anytime now... hopefully. Yes, I'm just being optimistic... :p