**EM in interview : 'It's easy to fall into the trap of trying to please everyone

Briareos H on 13/4/2013 at 06:19

I agree, but the petition effect has been ruined by the first one for SR.

Darkness_Falls on 13/4/2013 at 06:20

Quote Posted by thiefessa

The rope arrow is back. I rejoice. :cool:

Quote:

Tools of the Trade
Claw: In previous Thief games, Garrett used a rope arrow to access high points. Now he has the Claw, a throwable grapple that attaches to certain points in the environment and allows Garrett to get out of sight quickly.

From The Tingler on the EM forum on April 5th, who wrote the (http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/thief4/1009/preview.html) Strategy Informer preview:

Quote Posted by The Tingler

Quote Posted by Psychomorph

1) The Rope

Is that an arrow or a rope with the "hook" on it? Or both? I can imagine Garrett could just throw the hook alone at close ranges, but also attach it to an arrow shaft to launch it far and precise with the bow. Any information on this?

"The Claw" is a type of grapple and it most definitely functions like a slightly quicker version of the Rope Arrow. As for whether you can combine it with Arrows and launch it long distance I have no idea!

... But maybe you have newer info than I on this.

Goldmoon Dawn on 13/4/2013 at 06:31

Quote Posted by Briareos H

I agree, but the petition effect has been ruined by the first one for SR.

Perhaps, in a way. I think that if any petition is worthwhile and passionate it will get voters. I think there are a handful of core elements of Thief that we are absolutely passionate about, and if they were cohesively compiled, including Stephen Russell, and had the same backing if not more than the Russell petition alone, who knows?

Nuth on 13/4/2013 at 07:30

I doubt that the SR petition is going to make them alter their decision to use the other guy, but I'm hoping at the very least that it will shake what appears to be a cocksure attitude of "We at EM know best about Thief, nevermind those fans." I'm hoping it will cause them to take a fresh look at the decisions they've already made and maybe, just maybe, take a little more heed of what those fans (fans who EM may believe have just played through the games once or twice or a few times back in the day and are feeling some type of nostalgia that's causing them to be over-critical of the new game) are trying to tell them. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not nostalgic about Thief at all. I've been playing the games for 15 years, and I'm still just not tired of them. I don't know about the nostalgia bit, but I know a heck of a lot of you aren't tired of them either. Maybe, just maybe, people who have been playing Thief that long know something about what a Thief game is and what makes a Thief game work. Maybe, just maybe, people who have been playing a stealth game that long know something about what makes a stealth game work.

jtr7 on 13/4/2013 at 07:40

We know they ain't gonna change. If 4 years of expressing ourselves across the Internet, and them "listening", has resulted in them wanting to please everyone who never cared for the games, and thinking we'll be fine with all the fundamental removals, replacements, and handholding, I just wish they'd stop trying to convince us, themselves, and others, that we don't know what we like or dislike.

Vae on 13/4/2013 at 07:49

They may not want to change...yet, that doesn't mean they won't end up changing as a result of outside forces...The time is young, my friends...and a lot can be done...more than you can see right now...I tell you, there is a real chance for success here in various ways...So do not give up hope, as the fight has just begun!...:thumb:

jtr7 on 13/4/2013 at 07:56

They are changing some things right now, changing some things into some other thing or band-aid fixing yet another thing, but I seriously don't trust them to change things with some of us in mind who've been expressing ourselves since 2008, if they never built with some of us in mind to begin with, and yet dared to say "It's Thief. It's Thief." And saying that we can play how we like. :rolleyes:

The game as it stands is not playable to me, and not just as a matter of preference or snobbery on my part, which is still all the detractors ever see.

They killed any F4ITH I had by 2010, and then they fixed some things, and now the list of things is too big to expect them to pull it off, especially when they are shrugging important things off with attitude. If there were no PR concerns, I'd love to hear them speak unhindered. I have about a year of hope left. Meanwhile the forums are still divided and will be even worse in 2014, whether I'm still here or not.

Tomi on 13/4/2013 at 08:05

Quote Posted by jtr7

They killed any F4ITH I had by 2010

By 2010, when we barely had any concrete information about the game? :weird: That kinda explains it all though.

Nuth on 13/4/2013 at 08:17

I don't know...maybe there are some people(however few) at EM who actually do get what Thief is. Maybe their ideas have been shot down in the past and now they're saying "I told you so. Better listen to me this time." I can't see EM enjoying the excrement storm they've stirred up with the SR decision, however confident they claim to be about it.

thiefessa on 13/4/2013 at 09:33

Quote Posted by jtr7

... whether I'm still here or not.

You will still be here... :)

Quote Posted by Darkness_Falls

You said the same thing on April 4th and I don't think it was accurate then. Did info change in the past week? There's a claw, but I've not heard that a rope arrow is in NuThief. Pretty sure we've heard in at least a couple different places that the claw replaces the rope arrow. Of course, this is subject to change as new info is released or EM tweaks things, and I hope it does; but so far, I don't think we've heard rope arrows are in it.

From GameInformer article:

From The Tingler on the EM forum on April 5th, who wrote the (http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/thief4/1009/preview.html) Strategy Informer preview:

... But maybe you have newer info than I on this.

I was responding to earlier posts in this thread.
I don't care if its a rope arrow or a grapple or a walking wall-climbing miniature bot.... if it gives me the same vertical freedom, I will rejoice.