OrbWeaver on 24/5/2006 at 12:19
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'Rape an OAP, get community service!'
How about (
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4772827.stm) 5 years for rape and attempted murder?
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Surely you must be able to understand where people are coming from, even if you don't endorse it yourself? There's an issue of increased vulnerability in children that makes any sort of violence against them more horrific,
Sure, it should be given extra weighting due to the exploitation you mention, but not to the extent proposed by the hysterical public.
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not to mention the fact that a 10 year old is not viewed as a sexual being at all, whereas at 18 year old is.
Except by other 10-year-olds, of course. Of course, if two consenting 10-year-olds decide that they
are sexual beings, it is only the boy that is a criminal.
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However, how else are we to 'rank' our crimes in order of severity than in the way they make the majority of people feel?
By an objective evaluation of the harm done to the victim and the
measurable harm done to society by the perpetrator. The law is far too important to be enslaved to ignorant populism.
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Also: 'being a paedophile' isn't itself a crime. The people in this case are being punished according to what they actually did, which is why there are different punishments. They can't 'all get the same amount of time' because they didn't all do the same thing.
Correct. The number of people who think that "paedophile" == "child abuser" is astonishing.
Myoldnamebroke on 24/5/2006 at 13:05
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Sure, it should be given extra weighting due to the exploitation you mention, but not to the extent proposed by the hysterical public.
Then argue with the hysterical public. We've all seen Brass Eye, we don't need you to trash LOL THOSE PAEDOTRAITIAN HATING PLEBS for us.
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By an objective evaluation of the harm done to the victim and the
measurable harm done to society by the perpetrator. The law is far too important to be enslaved to ignorant populism.
There's a difference between 'being enslaved to ignorant populism' and ultimately being decided by a broad consenus. I'm also not convinced you can generate a rational, objective scale of Bad Stuff, let alone measure harm effectively.
Edit: the biggest crime in this thread is my consistent misspelling of 'trauma'
fett on 24/5/2006 at 13:22
You're covering for him aren't you? YOUR IN ON IT TO YOU BIG KIDDIE GROPER.
Convict on 24/5/2006 at 14:14
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Judge Niblett sentenced him to six life sentences, and told him he would not be eligible for parole until after at least 12 years.
How on earth does this work? Six life sentences (even if 14 years each) and you can get out after 12?? (6x14 = 84!)
OnionBob on 24/5/2006 at 14:16
Quote Posted by OrbWeaver
The number of people who think that "paedophile" == "child abuser" is astonishing.
STRAP YOURSELVES IN BOYS, HERE WE GO
Para?noid on 24/5/2006 at 14:37
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You're covering for him aren't you? YOUR IN ON IT TO YOU BIG KIDDIE GROPER.
At least then I would understand PedoLogic<sup>tm</sup>
Ajare on 24/5/2006 at 14:45
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How on earth does this work? Six life sentences (even if 14 years each) and you can get out after 12?? (6x14 = 84!)
That twelve years is strictly the minimum time, although it does seem rather lenient. It's still up to the parole board's discretion though, they could easily keep the guy in prison for life if they wanted. It's the parole board who really call the shots on this, not the judge. Also, people who receive life sentences, once released, are still on license for the rest of their lives, and if they so much as get drunk could find themselves serving another 15 years inside.
Also, Judge Niblett is a hilarious name.
fett on 24/5/2006 at 16:30
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The number of people who think that "paedophile" == "child abuser" is astonishing.
You didn't really just say that, did you? Do you have kids? If someone sticks their dick in your 10 year old daughter, I bet your word associations change real quick.
Myoldnamebroke on 24/5/2006 at 16:33
I think the point is that having paedophilic desires doesn't automatically entail child abuse, just like any other sexual attraction just guarantee you're getting any either. The men in this case may well all be paedophiles, but that doesn't mean they've all raped children.
Dia on 24/5/2006 at 17:04
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Or maybe the "I-prefer-to-analyse-things-rationally-rather-than- turning-into-a-drooling-hysterical-freak-any-time-children-are-mentioned" award,
You don't have kids, do you? Go have some & we'll talk in a few years.
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I think the point is that having paedophilic desires doesn't automatically entail child abuse, just like any other sexual attraction just guarantee you're getting any either.
We've already done this.
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105387&highlight=pedophile)
