Queue on 28/8/2016 at 01:37
I dubstepped Night Ranger's (
http://vocaroo.com/i/s05PETPU9Mwl) You Can Still Rock In America.
The result speaks for itself--I'm a fucking artist.
Jason Moyer on 28/8/2016 at 02:23
lol@relating Scorn to dubstep
Also, the last time I saw Mick live (probably like, 1998) his performance was rubbish.
hedonicflux~~ on 28/8/2016 at 02:33
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lol@relating Scorn to dubstep
Are you telling me this isn't dubstep?
[video=youtube;2WY4sy2uzGs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WY4sy2uzGs[/video]
faetal on 28/8/2016 at 09:49
DtG delivering the goods I see.
hedonicflux~~ on 29/8/2016 at 05:14
and hello to you again faetal, from the other end of the long dark tunnel.
So you're a Hillary supporter?
demagogue on 29/8/2016 at 06:25
Faetal is a Brit living in France. Why should it even matter his opinion about Hillary?
(If he's even been following the US news on her to have an informed opinion, which he has no better reason to than you following UK or French news.)
At least ask him about Corbyn.
I think less than half of us here are US Americans anyway. And that half is relatively not-as-left-leaning compared to the others. And even among the left-leaning of the Americans, I don't get a sense there's any rabid love for Hillary. She's tolerated to lukewarmly supported at best. The majority is against Trump, but that's a pretty low bar.
The thing is, while I think TTLG is generally left of center, people we have on the right are skewed rather far right (in my admittedly anecdotal & non-scientific perception), and left for that matter splits center & far left. So I think even if we're statistically left-leaning, the variance is high, which means something pretty different than if people actually clumped around the mean. There's serious disagreements. That's why we get legit arguments. I think the one thing that there's agreement on is most everyone, left or right, doesn't like authoritarianism, authorities telling you what movies you should be watching or games you should be playing or otherwise dictating people's lives. We're libertarians & syndicalists or leaning that way, not neocons & communists. (That's my sense anyway.)
Edit: Sorry is this derailing your art thread? =V
hedonicflux~~ on 29/8/2016 at 07:21
Quote Posted by demagogue
Faetal is a Brit living in France. Why should it even matter his opinion about Hillary?
(If he's even been following the US news on her to have an informed opinion, which he has no better reason to than you following UK or French news.)
At least ask him about Corbyn.
I follow European politics. And power to Jeremy Corbyn. faetal, what do you think of him?
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The thing is, while I think TTLG is generally left of center, people we have on the right are skewed rather far right (in my admittedly anecdotal & non-scientific perception), and left for that matter splits center & far left. So I think even if we're statistically left-leaning, the variance is high, which means something pretty different than if people actually clumped around the mean. There's serious disagreements. That's why we get legit arguments. I think the one thing that there's agreement on is most everyone, left or right, doesn't like authoritarianism, authorities telling you what movies you should be watching or games you should be playing or otherwise dictating people's lives. We're libertarians & syndicalists or leaning that way, not neocons & communists. (That's my sense anyway.)
I don't like authoritarianism. Libertarianism is a joke in my opinion. It's an ideal that can never come true, as with all ideology. In a free market, there will always be exploiters who rig the system and turn it into a--you guessed it, unfree market. It doesn't matter if sovereign national governments are there or not. The exploiters will create their own governing bodies, their own rules. Libertarianism is unsustainable.
Don't discount neoliberals. Neolibs like Hillary and Obama are as much a problem for our economic policy as Neocons are. Like libertarianism, it's a utopian ideology. It doesn't work.
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Edit: Sorry is this derailing your art thread? =V
Lol yes no idgaf. Every thread here gets derailed. That's what I love about this place.
hopper on 29/8/2016 at 07:59
A better question might be: What should any system do about exploiters?
hedonicflux~~ on 29/8/2016 at 08:19
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A better question might be: What should any system do about exploiters?
Ideally, there would be laws that are democratically decided on. A law might start as a petition. This was the ideal of American democracy, but the market prevented it from happenning. I think the next step then is to shift toward decentralized ownership. Check out Gar Alperovitz and the Next System Project. It's about worker collective ownership. The employees each own a share of the company, and things like wages are democractically decided. With both the market and the political sphere democratized, the system I think would be good at delivering justice.
faetal on 29/8/2016 at 15:40
Quote Posted by hedonicflux~~
I follow European politics. And power to Jeremy Corbyn. faetal, what do you think of him?
Flawed, but ultimately a once in a lifetime chance for the UK to ditch the good cop/bad cop script and do something disruptive. A lot of people seem to want to write off any support as either cult of personality or a naive blindness to realpolitik, but there are a bunch of reasons why a Corbyn-led Labour beats the alternatives.
As for US politics, it's a shit show. If Sanders had been the alternative, it might have been an interesting race, but as it stands, you have the choice between bullshit and insane bullshit. Glad I'm not involved.
