Jordana Chal on 25/10/2002 at 20:00
Although I'm normally an upright citizen, I've been forced on occasion to flout the law in the interests of the greater good (i.e. breaking into Fargoth's house in order to steal his stuff and dump it all round Seyda Neen) I don't mind much turning myself in to the guards and paying 5 gold or whatever, problem is that when I give them the money, they take half the stuff in my inventory. I may have half-inched a few items of clothing in the past but the guards take stuff I KNOW I got legitimately. How does the game define "stolen goods", exactly? Because they seem to take things I found while tomb raiding or things that were given to me by NPCs....I know I didn't pay money for these items but I didn't steal them either.
The most suspicious thing is that every single time I've been caught, the guards always end up taking every single item of clothing/armor that I'm wearing at the time, leaving me standing naked in the middle of town with a ring of guards round me :o Are they just messing with my head or what? :erg:
Forsythe on 25/10/2002 at 23:38
Good question... I believe that 'stolen goods' are really just goods with one or more owners still attached. There are some things that have ownerships that are, frankly, insane; for example, (and if memory serves) some items in Dagoth Ur's citadel are owned by an NPC near Ald Velothi. Sloppy level design, if you ask me.
There's a console command (tfh) that will show you ownerships as well as scripts, etc. of whatever objects you highlight; that, at least, may show you what the game thinks you've stolen.
WingedKagouti on 26/10/2002 at 12:08
My experience is that only items with an owner attached counts as stolen. Also if you pick up/steal one item with an owner then all items of that type will be flagged as owned by that person.
Ex. You take one of the ingredients in the Census and Excise office at the beginning of the game and every other ingredient of the same type on the entire island will be flagged as owned by "a shady smuggler". Iirc only the crab meat on the platter has no owner.
This is apparently a sideeffect of how the game handles items.
Silk on 26/10/2002 at 20:17
Easy, Drop all the items you own on the floor, pay the fine, then collect them again. They will then belong to you.
Silk
Jordana Chal on 26/10/2002 at 23:51
I've been doing that with the items I've stolen; the thing is that they shouldn't take stuff you picked up in caves or bought, but they have anyway. I've got so much stuff in my inventory, and it's so unbelievably slow, that dropping everything and picking it up again takes about 10 minutes each time.
JoJangles on 27/10/2002 at 03:22
Or just kill the guards /shrug
after a certain point it wasn't even worth it to exploit the system to steal the daedric/ebony armor from the various vaults and what not. What's worse, using an exploit or inserting it with console and picking it up? =)
Kilana on 29/10/2002 at 23:23
Any skilled thief would just break into the nearest fort/office with an evidence chest and take the items back. When I start a new game, I don't steal things because I feel theres no point... you only need a little for some quests, transportation, or spells, maybe even training...
Jordana Chal on 30/10/2002 at 00:20
Yeah I tried looting the evidence chest in Seyda Neen, but no go. The minute I picked the lock, the guard caught me (no surprise there as he's standing next to the chest, so it's not as if you can do it Sneakily) I was summarily ejected from the Imperial Legion and fined. Then the chest relocked itself immediately so I couldn't get my stuff out. I tried using domination scrolls to escort the guards out of the room but they didn't work; the guards turned to face me but didn't follow me when I left. I even tried using the editor to change the chest to a different ownership/assign one of my own keys to the lock, but when I did that the chest emptied and my stuff disappeared from inside.
Gave up in the end, and just re-purchased all the stuff they took. Now I hate Fargoth even more for indirectly causing me so much grief :mad:
Still, his house is now open; might leave a couple of clannfears in there for him as a nice surprise. Which, I have to admit, would be more effective if I thought he was ever going to go home :erg:
mlk8f on 30/10/2002 at 13:47
What about opening the chest from across the room via telekenesis? You can surely sneak somewhere in that room (I assume, though I've never been there, so feel free to have a flame field day if I'm wrong), perhaps helping yourself with a bit of chameleon, and then telekenesis your way back to your stuff.
edit: if the domination scrolls turned the guard towards you, then can't you turn him around so he's not facing the chest and then sneak behind him? again, with chameleon if your sneak's not so high
mlk
WingedKagouti on 30/10/2002 at 15:49
Quote:
Originally posted by mlk8f (I assume, though I've never been there, so feel free to have a flame field day if I'm wrong)Then you haven't played the game yet... It's the room where you pick class & birthsign and finalize your character :rolleyes:
Your solution isn't a bad idea however, but it can be done by just talking to both people in the room to make them face away from the chest and then picking the chest while their backs are turned (just don't stand right next to the guard).
