Bucky Seifert on 17/7/2017 at 06:36
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Alright, if it's been a part of the fiction from the start then I'm fine with it. Are they going to explain why the character happened to regenerate into a male 11 times in a row, though?
Perhaps, I don't know, we won't know until the 11 season next year. Also there was in incarnation in between 8 and 9 known as the War Doctor, but isn't counted among the numbering because reasons. Either way Capaldi is the 13th incarnation technically... even though he's known as 12 because... look Doctor Who is confusing and weird :laff: the whole show is full of inconsistencies and things that don't make sense, even before the revival series.
Nicker on 17/7/2017 at 09:13
So women can't be doctors? I think half of humanity missed that memo.
This is a tempest in a phonebox. Doctor Who (not Mr. Who) is a transdimensional being who reincarnates in different forms. What part of TRANS are you not getting?
And PC? Really? Anyone using that trite label as an argument should be required to sacrifice a gonad each time.
Vivian on 17/7/2017 at 09:46
The doctor is a time travelling alien, who gives a shit if he has human mammary glands. Not that I actually care that much anyway, dr who is shit.
SubJeff on 17/7/2017 at 09:58
I hate the rebooted Dr Who but gender changing has been part of the universe so shut your misogyny right up in your stupid faces.
Chimpy Chompy on 17/7/2017 at 10:41
I hear the next doctor will be a muslim refugee in a sonic burqa!
People like icemann are just dropping un-necessary barriers in front of their own enjoyment of the show. Nothing about the doctor requires the character to stay male.
Purgator on 17/7/2017 at 10:55
I heard the next Doctor is going to be a morbidly obese, gender fluid, episcopalian Mexican with an extra chromosome and tinnitus.
Vivian on 17/7/2017 at 11:42
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It's only been part of it since Capaldi's run of the show, making this more of a retcon. Was never mentioned ever in the shows entire run (1950s - now) until then.
Doctors - Yes
The Doctor - No
He/it would have gone that way from day 1 otherwise.
I'm all for women's lib and all that, but the Doctor is male. Always has, always should be. If they want to change it, they should change to a different character / alien. I might stop watching the show after the Christmas episode. Some change is good/great, but too much change changes the very makeup / feel of the show.
I dunno. I need to think on it. Very disappointed in the BBC over this. They'll be losing quite a few longtime fans over it.
You're filling out a fair few squares on this bingo card, icemann:
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE4BxjbXgAA0Hmc.jpgKolya on 17/7/2017 at 14:54
What's next, fannies in the smoking room??? :mad:
Tony_Tarantula on 17/7/2017 at 15:32
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Perhaps, I don't know, we won't know until the 11 season next year. Also there was in incarnation in between 8 and 9 known as the War Doctor, but isn't counted among the numbering because reasons. Either way Capaldi is the 13th incarnation technically... even though he's known as 12 because... look Doctor Who is confusing and weird :laff: the whole show is full of inconsistencies and things that don't make sense, even before the revival series.
It's retconned.
The entire series, especially after Moffat took over, suffers from extremely shitty meta writing.
That said I'm kinda "meh" about this overall. I'm open to the new actor's performance being great....but I also thought it was completely stupid when they suddenly retconned the regenerating idea. It made more sense originally when the process was more like a reptile or insect shedding it's old skin. I just don't get how the genitals change.
It also doesn't help that I absolutely hated Missy.
Personally I think it would be more interesting to introduce another series with a female time-lord lead. That way we'd have a new character free from all the shitty meta-writing that's in the Doctor's timeline, and she could establish her own unique character traits rather than just being gender-swapped doctor.
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I guess it's just eyebrow-raising the form was always a male 12 times in a row, those are some crazy odds. I don't think anyone here has one single issue at all about lead women roles, and are in fact supportive of them.
I just hate gender swaps.
Beyond Good and Evil, Alien, Frozen, Jessica Jones, Kill Bill.....none of those would have worked with a male lead. Similarly Ghostbusters simply did not work with a male lead, and a lot of other movies out there with male leads simply would not work with a gender swap. Just think about of "supernatural" had instead had two female leads acting like Dean and Sam. Even trying to have "female version of" characters like lightning in Final Fantasy (where they literally said "draw up a female version of Cloud") or Star Wars (female Luke aka Rey) haven't really worked.
Great example is 30 Rock. That show would have been boring as shit if the Liz Lemon character had been male.
Wishing that everyone was completely androgynous and gender didn't impact how people react socially is a fantasy, and writers would be better served using that than trying to pretend it doesn't exist.
Instead of trying to do "female version of X character" how about instead come up with a female lead that's actually interesting and unique?
