Renzatic on 23/7/2017 at 20:52
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
trying to turn everyone into effeminate, "nice guy", males is how you get MORE people like Elliot Rogers who start building up a quiet hatred for women that eventually explodes into violence or assault.
Just saw this. It's, once again, another massive misrepresentation by Mr. Tony Tarantula.
Elliot Rogers was never shamed about being "male", or "masculine", or whatever other victimization tripe you want to toss up. He was heavily involved with Pick Up Groups, which does tend to be the very opposite of the very things you're claiming, mostly celebrating their masculinity by picking up barflies and club chicks. Unless you're talking about the extreme fringes of that scene, where things start getting a little, for lack of a better word, rapey (which Rogers wasn't involved in), they're a pretty harmless bunch.
But it wasn't the PUG scene that lead to his eventual violent outburst. If anything, some of the people there tried steering him in the right direction. It's that he was a creepy little goon with more than his fair share of mental and emotional issues, took the fact that no one wanted to touch him with a 10 foot pole as being a problem endemic with women rather than himself, blamed them for all his ills and failings, and took things to their illogical conclusion.
The fact you're using Rogers as a victim of feminism shows that, well, YOU'VE GOT A BIG AGENDA, TONY! CONFIRMATION BIAS! COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!
Renzatic on 23/7/2017 at 22:33
I have an uncle who's the product of a WMAF relationship. He looks sorta like Bruce Lee, especially in his younger years, but has a really thick southern accent. Always calls me "maayyyaattthheewww".
It's a really weird combination, let me tell you.
Trance on 23/7/2017 at 22:44
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Just saw this. It's, once again, another massive misrepresentation by Mr. Tony Tarantula.
Elliot Rogers was never shamed about being "male", or "masculine", or whatever other victimization tripe you want to toss up. He was heavily involved with Pick Up Groups, which does tend to be the very opposite of the very things you're claiming, mostly celebrating their masculinity by picking up barflies and club chicks. Unless you're talking about the extreme fringes of that scene, where things start getting a little, for lack of a better word, rapey (which Rogers wasn't involved in), they're a pretty harmless bunch.
Pick-up
Artists, actually, Renz. "Pick-up group" has to do with video games.
Unsurprisingly, Tony
does frequent the RooshV forum, which is a forum founded by a PUA, for PUAs. If you want to get a good look at what the opposite end of the spectrum looks like in gender politics, go read some of the posts on that forum. They'll curl your nose hairs.
Renzatic on 23/7/2017 at 22:53
Really, I think of that whole scene as a bunch of douchy guys trying their damnedest to be as douchy as possible so they can pick up equally douchy women who love that douchy crap. They end up producing children who can crush beer cans on their foreheads at the age of 3.
I think of the opposite end of the social spectrum as being better represented by the Red Pill bunch.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure (
https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/comments/6p1vvi/i_hate_white_liberal_feminist_leftist_sjw/) Mayonnaise101 might be Tony.
edit: RooseV would fall on in that more abjectly "rapey" end of the PUA scene I mentioned above. I don't consider them representative of them all.
Nicker on 23/7/2017 at 23:20
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The problem isn't change itself, it's corruptive change.
Meaning change you don't like.
Time Lords are "extraterrestrial". They predate humans but appear humanoid even though they are (according to incorruptible cannon) NOT human. Presumably a near immortal creature with access to time travel and bio-morphing technologies (allowing it to reduce it's normal compliment of hearts from TWO to ONE), would have little difficulty selecting between genders in its target species, unless you have some "clear, logical points" or citations from incorruptible cannon to rule out this possibility.
The Doctor is a fugitive and, like all Time Lords, is able to conceal his identity by taking human form. Switching to a female sounds like a good tactic to throw off the chase.
The question isn't
why is this being done now but
why wasn't it done sooner, baring "clear, logical points" or incorruptible cannon to the contrary.
Tony_Tarantula on 24/7/2017 at 16:24
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Just saw this. It's, once again, another massive misrepresentation by Mr. Tony Tarantula.
Elliot Rogers was never shamed about being "male", or "masculine", or whatever other victimization tripe you want to toss up. He was heavily involved with Pick Up Groups, which does tend to be the very opposite of the very things you're claiming, mostly celebrating their masculinity by picking up barflies and club chicks. Unless you're talking about the extreme fringes of that scene, where things start getting a little, for lack of a better word, rapey (which Rogers wasn't involved in), they're a pretty harmless bunch.
But it wasn't the PUG scene that lead to his eventual violent outburst. If anything, some of the people there tried steering him in the right direction. It's that he was a creepy little goon with more than his fair share of mental and emotional issues, took the fact that no one wanted to touch him with a 10 foot pole as being a problem endemic with women rather than himself, blamed them for all his ills and failings, and took things to their illogical conclusion.
The fact you're using Rogers as a victim of feminism shows that, well, YOU'VE GOT A BIG AGENDA, TONY! CONFIRMATION BIAS! COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!
You seem to be laboring under the rather bizarre misconception that PIck Up Groups are somehow "masculine".
I regard the entire industry as a scam. It's a scam that exists precisely because it appeals to males who lack any kind of masculine characteristics about themselves, and (consistent with my characterization of them) has that appeal because it entices the idea that you can be successful by using parlor tricks that completely lack any aspect of self improvement
And again there was no attempt to use him as a "victim of feminism". I think we CAN all agree that he was fairly representitive of the type of person that goes off on a mass killing. They're typically effeminite mannered, sexually frustrated white males.
Point is that we have a society that produces an enormous number of "males" who have very few masculine characteristics about them and a complete lack of social skills. Those two result in an enormous amount of pent up frustration at society and when you have that much pent up frustration you start looking for someone to blame. For a lot of guys they just end up blaming "women" and hating women because that's the most immediate source of their frustration and the social abuse they receive.
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Unsurprisingly, Tony does frequent the RooshV forum, which is a forum founded by a PUA, for PUAs. If you want to get a good look at what the opposite end of the spectrum looks like in gender politics, go read some of the posts on that forum. They'll curl your nose hairs.
And if you look at my account, you'll know that I tend to butt heads with people who have more reductionist/PUA type views on the whole thing. I actually got banned from the website's section under another username because I pointed out that Pickup Artist type bullshit actually made things WORSE for people like Rogers, and that it has that effect because it doesn't teach them how to improve on the character defects that made them unsuccessful with women in the first place.
Rather remarkably, those guys are MUCH more able to engage in a respectful and sensible dialogue than are most of TTLG's progressive posters.
Still...rhetorical question here. In these "fandom" communities you're dealing primarily with nerds. Most of these nerds entire experiences with women who aren't their mothers consist of being rejected, being mocked by them, and being used for gain.
I dunno.....I can't POSSIBLY see how that would lead to people developing a misogynistic attitude.
Point is that the societal problems we have are much deeper than the "feminism", "misogony" and "male privilege" shit that stupid people love to get worked up about.
Nicker on 24/7/2017 at 16:37
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
It wasn't done sooner because back then, gender-swapping male characters into female ones wasn't considered necessary to advance feminism.
Really? How do you know this? Maybe it was because they feared blow-back from their perceived androcentric fan base. That's a speculation, of course, as is your assertion.
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
I still think there's a right way and a wrong way to do this
Category error. You are comparing copy cat characters, with no innate ability or need to gender swap, with a trans-species character who has both the capability and arguably the need to swap genders.
A gender flipping Dr. Who is not cannon corrupting, it is entirely within the scope of the character.
Sulphur on 24/7/2017 at 16:40
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
[citation and/or sanity needed]
Inline Image:
https://media.giphy.com/media/7rj2ZgttvgomY/giphy.gifThere used to be many contenders for the crown of as much condensed stupidity as is possible in a single post, but most of them have been wiped out in the seething, lunatic froth of the Tony_Tarantula tidal wave.
Also, 'misogony' sounds like a portion of Japanese repast that has a tendency to spontaneously vanish.
Renzatic on 24/7/2017 at 17:45
I want to know Tony's definition of masculine, what he considers "effeminate characteristics".
...and I'll probably regret asking it.
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In these "fandom" communities you're dealing primarily with nerds. Most of these nerds entire experiences with women who aren't their mothers consist of being rejected, being mocked by them, and being used for gain.
I dunno.....I can't POSSIBLY see how that would lead to people developing a misogynistic attitude.
It's simple. Some people are assholes. It's a universal truth among all peoples of the world, regardless of race, color, creed, gender, or nationality.
Some people have bad experience with these assholes. It's bound to happen at some point or another.
The problem is when people run into the assholes, and assume EVERYONE of that particular race, color, creed or gender must all be the same that's the problem. Just because a few socially awkward guys had a run of bad luck with a few self serving stuck up ladies at the club doesn't mean you can say "well geez, no wonder some men go misogynist." They're all dealing with shit people do, have done since 6000BC, and will continue to do in the foreseeable future. Why? Because some people are assholes, regardless of race, color, creed, gender, or nationality.
Everyone here has had someone do something shitty to them. I have. You have, I'm sure. The same could be said of anyone else who posts here. The only difference between I, they, and you is that they're not making it into a goddamn sociopolitical issue.
