Scots Taffer on 25/7/2006 at 23:57
Sypha, if you think you need to see a therapist genuinely and are honestly prepared to man up and make the necessary changes in your thinking, then ask your family for some support with regards to the cost.
OrbWeaver on 26/7/2006 at 09:42
Quote Posted by Ghostly Apparition
However, If you actually suffer from whats called clinical depression, then the only real solution is anti-depressants.
Wrong. Anti-depressants are a temporary workaround, not a solution. In 35 per cent of people they have
no effect whatsoever, so describing them as "the only real solution" is absurd. Even psychiatrists who prescribe such medication are fully aware of this fact.
The only treatment that has consistently been shown as an effective long-term cure for depression is cognitive therapy (and variants thereof), which works by challenging deep-seated negative beliefs about yourself and your situation (e.g. "I am worthless", "Nobody like me", "I will always fail at everything I do", and so on).
ilweran on 26/7/2006 at 11:24
Quote Posted by Ghostly Apparition
If your just feeling a bit overwhelmed or something then sure they may be a temporary solution only. However, If you actually suffer from whats called clinical depression, then the only real solution is anti-depressants. Depression isn't something that a friend can just cheer you up from, rather, clinical depresssion is a chemical imbalance in the brain. anti-depressants help correct that imbalance.
You could also try and find out the reasons why you are clinically depressed, though I do admit anti-depressants could help with that as if they lift you a bit out of the pit that is depression you could become more able to talk.
I work for a mental health charity in the UK and there is a feeling that treatment is pretty much only based around the medical model- ie chemical imbalance in brain= needing drugs to fix. Great for the drugs companies, maybe not so great for the patients.
OrbWeaver on 26/7/2006 at 11:34
Quote Posted by ilweran
I work for a mental health charity in the UK and there is a feeling that treatment is pretty much only based around the medical model- ie chemical imbalance in brain= needing drugs to fix. Great for the drugs companies, maybe not so great for the patients.
That is dead right. Unfortunately the pharmaceuticals have an enormous amount of money to spend peddling their worldview, which is basically "drugs are the solution to everything".
One of the stupidest things I ever heard was a colleague discussing a friend who decided she was depressed and needed to "sit in bed taking Prozac". You might as well sit in bed and masturbate for all the good that will do you.
Ghostly Apparition on 26/7/2006 at 12:00
Quote Posted by OrbWeaver
Wrong. Anti-depressants are a temporary workaround, not a solution. In 35 per cent of people they have
no effect whatsoever, so describing them as "the only real solution" is absurd. Even psychiatrists who prescribe such medication are fully aware of this fact.
The only treatment that has consistently been shown as an effective long-term cure for depression is cognitive therapy (and variants thereof), which works by challenging deep-seated negative beliefs about yourself and your situation (e.g. "I am worthless", "Nobody like me", "I will always fail at everything I do", and so on).
Its not me, my wife suffes from it, she recently ran out, and it was back to the same way she was before. depression also causes physical pain. But you all are right, doctors seem to prescribe them for people who probably aren't depressed in which case it will do more harm than good.
She tried Prozac, I wouldn't recommend that drug for my dog. Its terrible.
I'm not advocating for drug companies. But I see what a difference it makes in my wife, and no she doesn't sit on the bed all day like a zombie either. LOL
Its not a happy drug, meaning it doesn't make you happy all the time, but it does enable her to function, go to work and lead a normal life. On the other hand when she doesn't have it is when she wants to spend all day in bed sleeping. (iiritable etc)
You can not believe me if you want, but in her case its a chemical imbalance and I can see the difference taking anti-depressant makes.
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www.depressionhurts.com)
Fingernail on 26/7/2006 at 12:02
Quote Posted by OrbWeaver
You might as well sit in bed and masturbate for all the good that will do you.
don't knock it
OrbWeaver on 26/7/2006 at 12:35
Quote Posted by Ghostly Apparition
Its not me, my wife suffes from it, she recently ran out, and it was back to the same way she was before.
Precisely. Because the drug has not cured the depression, only alleviated it. Hopefully your wife is having proper therapy in addition to the drugs, in order to combat the underlying depression and ensuring that she does not become permanently dependent on anti-depressants.
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You can not believe me if you want, but in her case its a chemical imbalance and I can see the difference taking anti-depressant makes.
I never said that anti-depressants are worthless, just that they should not be considered a solution on their own.
Agent Monkeysee on 26/7/2006 at 14:53
Quote Posted by OrbWeaver
Precisely. Because the drug has not cured the depression, only alleviated it.
I was under the impression you can't "cure" depression anyway, just like you can't cure schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or OCD. We're not good enough at the brain science to do that. You develop means to cope with it.
SubJeff on 26/7/2006 at 15:25
No, you cannot "cure" it. You can't cure much actually - the vast majority of illnesses/conditions are managed, not cured.
It is as short sighted to suggest chemical therapy as the only viable approach as it is to suggest that psychotherapy is the only viable approach. A multidisciplinary approach is probably preferable.
Rug Burn Junky on 26/7/2006 at 15:38
I thought we had all already pretty much figured out that, much like cancer, there's just no cure for Sypha.
