CCCToad on 28/1/2010 at 00:44
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Nevertheless, the fact that this is used as grounds for claiming religious persecution and seeking political asylum (and, moreover, being granted asylum!) just strikes me as incredibly... ludicrous.
I will agree, mandatory public education isn't religious persecution because A: it applies to everyone, not just certain sects, and B: I have not heard of Germany's public education system being actively anti-religious, just that the curriculum is written from a very secular mindset.
Of course, that doesn't make Germany any better: Punishing Homeschooling with jail time (and all the other censorship mentioned earlier in the thread) is both retarded and unnecessary.
Overall, its a classic case of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
demagogue on 28/1/2010 at 03:29
There are a lot of check boxes when you're applying for US residency, and a lot of different policies are behind each box (having recently experienced a close friend spend 2 years navigating the different boxes to keep her residency)... So the article may be exaggerating a bit on the "asylum" part of it, even if it really is technically the "asylum" box. It doesn't necessarily mean they're checking the box for when your home gov't is spying on you and ready to disappear you if you don't leave now.
And I think it's understandable the US might allow someone in for a particular way of life valued in the US that they can't by law do in their home country (not that I'm a big fan; I haven't thought about it enough to have a strong opinion) ... because it's true the US values giving families the ability to do home schooling as an important right, religious or not, so it could be one factor in making a residency decision if this family can demonstrate that they really value it and it's really prohibited for them.
N'Al on 28/1/2010 at 07:09
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
You just keep thinking inside that box, mmmmk?
You just keep on posting inane platitudes instead of addressing the issue at hand, mmmmk? This is a legal matter, not some business excercise on teambuilding.
Fact is, this is a family whose kids were bullied at school and couldn't homeschool them. Is it a bit shitty for them? Sure. Do they have legitimate complaints? Absolutely. Are these complaints grounds for a claim of religious persecution? Don't be ridiculous.
Also, SD invoking Godwin on p. 1 - ha ha, TTLG delivers yet again! :thumb:
Lytha on 28/1/2010 at 07:43
I could name a lot of reasons to leave Germany, but seeking asylum because sex ed in schools interferes with whatever they want to indoctrinate their offspring in homeschooling? What a bunch of loonies.
Good riddance.
Kolya on 28/1/2010 at 09:06
Out of interest: Where would you go?
tartley on 28/1/2010 at 09:08
Hi there.
I think what is *really* ridiculous about this is not that the family has applied for (and been granted) permission to move country - but that people think this is an unreasonable thing to do.
Surely it should be up to me to decide where I live and work? We do not live in a dictatorship which assigns citizens their profession and workplace and house. We purportedly live in freedom. Part of being free is the ability to leave my country of origin. If I am to be allowed to leave, then presumably that implies that there needs to be somewhere for me to leave to, if you take my meaning.
Therefore any country which allows its citizens to leave, needs as a logical counterpart to that, to also allow other people to enter.
I've moved between countries several times, with more in my future, and I consider it absolutely intolerable that various governments think it is their business to tell me where I can and can't live.
I wish (no, DEMAND!) that other places start to be more like Europe, within which I can freely choose which country I want to live and work in, without any hinderance from the Governments concerned.
june gloom on 28/1/2010 at 09:14
Welcome to TTLG. Run for your life.
Kolya on 28/1/2010 at 09:15
Quote Posted by tartley
I think what is *really* ridiculous about this is not that the family has applied for (and been granted) permission to move country - but that people think this is an unreasonable thing to do.
Way to miss the point. It's the fact that they asked for "asylum" and the reasons they gave that has people shaking their heads. People move from Germany to the US and back all the time without it ever making the news, you see.
N'Al on 28/1/2010 at 09:27
Quote Posted by Kolya
It's the fact that they asked for "asylum" and the reasons they gave that has people shaking their heads. People move from Germany to the US and back all the time without it ever making the news, you see.
This.
I really don't see what's stopping this family from emigrating to the US in the normal fashion (just like thousands of other German families do every year!), instead of this asylum malarky for which they, imo, have no real basis.
