Deus Ex Eggs/References. - by Eberon
darkwanderer on 31/7/2002 at 06:33
oh, another thing:
the atm terminal in paris. from building #14 you discover in the office with the phone the account number 2221969, password dullbill.
i thought this significant, and although i can't offer info about it, i think it's worth some research. What bill was passed in 1969 that was "dull"? and in what country, usa? or france?
thought i'd mention that here.
King Ronald on 31/7/2002 at 16:56
The chef in the cellar of the Paris cathedral was called Svelter, the name of the head chef in classic Gormenghast book trilogy.
Acidite on 4/8/2002 at 04:01
In the Ton Hotel guest list there's someone with the first name of Oberst. There is a character in the vampire novel "Carrion Comfort" by Dan Simmons who goes by the name/alias of Oberst. I'm not sure if it's a direct reference, but I doubt it's a coincidence.
HVD on 4/8/2002 at 16:02
This just hit me in the car this morning. All the UNATCO security ratings are religious: God, Angel etc.
JC, Paul, Anna, and Gunther are level Angel/0A
Manderley, Simons are God level
Think of Manderley/Somons as God and the Aug. agents as Angels
It sort of makes sense, ish
JC stands (possibly maybe) for Jesus Christ
What if JC was also the polar opposite, Satan?
Satan (JC) was God's (Manderley/Simons) favourite angel (nano-augs, Angel/0A)
He rebelled against God and was cast out of Heaven (UNATCO) along with all those who followed him (Jaime, Alex, Sam)
Could the events of the game be an analogy of the War in Heaven?
Marecki on 5/8/2002 at 16:05
Is there really a God security rating? Perhaps I've been reading through people's mail too hastily, but too me Paul's words "you have to be God level to know that" is just a variation on "God knows".
However, even in such case UNATCO security levels seem to be associated with the hierarchy of angels in Jewish/Christian Heaven, with the Seraphim (Seraphim/7 in UNATCO) being the highest and the "regular" angels (Angel/0 in UNATCO) the lowest.
You may want to look (
http://demons.monstrous.com/angel_hierarchy.htm) here for more detail, it's the only site I could find which has a complete list.
HVD on 5/8/2002 at 19:24
Yeah Im pretty sure that he highest rating is God. The more I think about it, the more im convinced im right about this
Gingerbread Man on 6/8/2002 at 07:26
I always heard that reference to "God Clearance" that Paul makes as a very sarcastic comment, too. Very much a "Only God gets to know these things", but said with a bit of contempt.
Those sorts security clearances aren't anything really unusual for American military and espionage. British, too.
I seem to remember that similar architecture (seraph, throne, power, etc) was supposedly incorporated into the 'real' Majestic-12 security structure. That wouldn't surprise me... military intelligence networks tend to be kinda full of themselves, and the natural evolution of a security clearance structure is (predictably) theistic 9 times in 10.
This trend exists and will always exist, I think. It's kewler than using colours and numbers, less cliche than "confidential / secret / top secret" etc, and actually is inherently hierarchical (something that colours and such just can't do... if you have "orange" clearance, where does that put you relative to someone with "yellow"?)
Even the meta-architecture of security clearances get dragged through the morass of Judeo-Christian l33tness... The "Seraphim" system is an extensible, reconfigurable security architecture that is flexible and accommodates a wide variety of security policies and mechanisms. That's not a thing like the old MJ12 hierarchy; the "Seraphim" system is a taxonomy, so named by some other l33t spark in intel who thought he was being oh so cool.
;)
(Note about the Bullethole Smiley shirt: I've not read the other thread, nor the big list, but someone did point out that both references to it (SS and DX) are nods to "The Watchmen" series of graphic novels, yeah? Hope so.)
ZylonBane on 6/8/2002 at 21:11
Quote:
Originally posted by Gingerbread Man It's kewler than using colours and numbers, less cliche than "confidential / secret / top secret" etc, and actually is inherently hierarchical (something that colours and such just can't do...if you have "orange" clearance, where does that put you relative to someone with "yellow"?) Ahem... there
is this thing known as the visible electromagnetic spectrum.
Inline Image:
http://www.city.ac.uk/colourgroup/spectrum.gif Looks inherently hierarchical to me! As to whether "yellow" clearance would be higher than "orange"... well, you could just as easily ask whether "1" clearance is higher than "10". It can (and does) go either way.
Gingerbread Man on 7/8/2002 at 00:47
It can go either way.
Exactly.
Which makes it pretty goddamned useless as a hierarchy, yeah?
Don't you Ahem me. ;)
ZylonBane on 7/8/2002 at 01:10
But the point is, almost ANY linear set will be ambiguous regarding where the "top" is. In the "God...blablabla...Satan" continuum, either extreme could be considered the boss.
In the end, any ranking structure simply requires the members of that structure to know what means what.
How about a structure based on fruits and vegetables, where rank is indicated by how high it grows? Then you'd have a literal "top banana". :thumb:
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