the mighty parthos on 23/12/2003 at 06:52
I bought the pc version for me and the x-box for the kids.
It was cheaper than upgrading all of the computers.:thumb:
And it runs goooood.:cheeky:
And I don't shop at romp usa too over priced.
ZylonBane on 23/12/2003 at 14:36
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Originally posted by terrannova We're not flies.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Crion on 23/12/2003 at 23:26
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Originally posted by trevor the sheep The difference between 2 + 2 equalling 5 and evolution is that evolution has that crazy stuff called evidence to back it up, whereas 2 + 2 equalling 5 doesn't.
Yeah, systematic studies and research is nothing when you the END ALL, ANSWER ALL BOOK OF GOD that somehow made it through the better parts of two milleniums and multiple translations all under the control of natural human goodness.
Excuse me. I need to find my eyes. They rolled out a while ago.
madphilb on 24/12/2003 at 00:07
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Originally posted by trevor the sheep Wait, are you saying we only believe in evolution as a theory because other people do? The difference between 2 + 2 equalling 5 and evolution is that evolution has that crazy stuff called evidence to back it up, whereas 2 + 2 equalling 5 doesn't.
This is way off-topic... there are a couple of sides to this issue beyond the traditional creation/evolution stand.
Scientists are starting to find that things changed too fast on this planet for it to be the traditional evolution that we've been taught as fact for years. The typical non-religious explination is either 1) Aliens or 2) life grown elsewhere and landing here via space-junk.
Most of the examples for evolutions that are given are of the micro kind, that is... adaptation of a species to a particular enviornment... such as the moths that changed from one color to another due to the change in the color of the bark on the trees. Science has had a much harder time comming up with solid proof of larger scale/longer term stuff, like fish turning into birds (or, eventually... you know what I mean).
As I recall (and I could be mistaken... I've not taken the time to research it for myself, my bad)... Darwin himself turned his back on his own theory before he died.
The technique that we use to generate the evolution theory is much like the game "Black Box" where you fire something into the "black box" and try to figure out what the contents of the box are by where the object exits it. The "laws" we come up with for these things are based on observation, and a limited one at that (otherwise there would be no need to continue to study these things).
Human error/ego comes into play into some of this too. There are documented cases where found items have been made to fit the solution that the researcher wanted as well as "evidence" that was adjusted or faked for the fame and glory of it's creator (or to cover up their mistakes).
Sometimes poor information is just passed on... everyone who thinks that the direction water drains out of a sink is caused by the spin of the earth (related to the hemisphere you live in) raise your hands? Everyone who said yes..... you've been had (most likely by your own school teachers too). See (
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html) for more info.
My point is there are just as many reasons not to believe in Evolution as a whole as there are reason to believe it. While I personally lean on the creationist side of things, there are issue that they don't always cover very well... it's up to me to make up my own mind (which is the issue here). I've been personally accused in the past of believing in things only because I've been told too, when in fact I've come to all my decisions about my moral base on my own, hashing them out one by one on my own. Granted, not everyone does this... but I could just as easily say that you're believe that it's true is based simply because someone else has told you so... I'm sure you've done none of the reasearch yourself.
I'm not trying to start a debate on the issue... there are science and theology forums for that... and reguardless of my personal beliefs on the issue, it might have been best if that wasn't used as an example. However, trevor could have just as soon let it go or PMed his disgust.
PHIL
Slartybartfast on 24/12/2003 at 16:17
you're right, this is way off topic. why did you fire off a long pro-creation (no pun intended) post and end it with "i'm not trying to start a debate". youre just asking for it with things like
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Scientists are starting to find that things changed too fast on this planet for it to be the traditional evolution that we've been taught as fact for years. The typical non-religious explination is either 1) Aliens or 2) life grown elsewhere and landing here via space-junk.
this the kind of ambiguous statement that will get people fired up.
you really just need to have faith in the scientific method, not necessarily current theories. if i tell you the world was created by a moderately talented tennis player, how is that different from an ancient book with no particular author telling you the world was created by god? which also happens to contradict the 50 other holy books in the world...
i wouldnt go picking holes in evolutionary theory (which, youre right, probably isnt 100% correct) until you have another practical theory to challenge it with. and none of that "the dinosaur bones were placed in the ground by god to challenge our faith" nonsense. you're not giving any evidence to back up creationism, youre just pointing out possible flaws in current evolutionary theory.
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Sometimes poor information is just passed on...
But you believe what the bible says? Just because other people do?
Crion on 24/12/2003 at 16:44
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Originally posted by madphilb Human error/ego comes into play into some of this too. There are documented cases where found items have been made to fit the solution that the researcher wanted...
Problem: Explain creation of Earth, stars, and universe in general.
Solution: God.
OH MY! IT WORKS! ...although I'd hardly call anyone working on Theology a researcher. :p
And about poor imformation being passed on? Good golly, no! The Earth is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth and do say other is the work of the devil!
:erm:
Religion hasn't exactly been the cutting edge for anything. They have been forced to update their views all the while dragging their heels and having a screaming fit for quite some time. And, lest we forget, if someone has a different view or interpretation, they go off and form their own brand. It's hardly universal and anyone can make their own wacky story to reason their actions or lifestyle.
And Jerry Thought of the Day: What's the difference between a religion and a cult? Cults have fewer members. ;)
Nethawk on 24/12/2003 at 20:06
Ninjas - all comes down to Ninjas.
terrannova on 24/12/2003 at 23:01
hehehe well I didn't want to start up a debate but....
About Deus Ex Invisible War Sales, does anyone know how well this game is doing? My theory is that it's having a tough time in the PC sales department..
madphilb on 24/12/2003 at 23:40
hehehehe.... what you guys do with my post is up to you... and there are a few assumptions already made that I could shoot down (about me and my beliefs).... but this isn't the place ;) BTW, you're welcome to e-mail me if it's not spam and you want to have a nice discusson on the issue.
Sadly I can't contribute much on sales figures... but the release time is a poor one to track anyway... have any of you seen the release lists for Nov/Dec? It's huges! (and started back in Oct)... everyone trying to scratch a little off the holiday crowd.
Long term it'll be sales over the next year that will show better how the game has done.
Remember "Enter the Matrix" did great in sales for weeks, yet many thought it was a terrible game.
PHIL
Liliel on 25/12/2003 at 00:14
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Originally posted by Crion Problem: Explain creation of Earth, stars, and universe in general.
Solution: God.
OH MY! IT WORKS! ...although I'd hardly call anyone working on Theology a researcher. :p
And about poor imformation being passed on? Good golly, no! The Earth is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth and do say other is the work of the devil!
:erm:
Religion hasn't exactly been the cutting edge for anything. They have been forced to update their views all the while dragging their heels and having a screaming fit for quite some time. And, lest we forget, if someone has a different view or interpretation, they go off and form their own brand. It's hardly universal and anyone can make their own wacky story to reason their actions or lifestyle.
And Jerry Thought of the Day: What's the difference between a religion and a cult? Cults have fewer members. ;)
Very well said. And those religions actually have the guts to stick to their old teachings without modifying themselves to fit for modern times are now called dangerous extremists :cheeky:
