Daftest and cheesiest Movies. - by Gillie
Parker'sSire on 25/2/2007 at 16:35
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@Strontium Dog
As a usual defender of all that is Stront, I gotta agree with ZB on this one.
Whatever it was intended to be, Starship Troopers just comes across as a silly action movie.
Gillie on 25/2/2007 at 17:44
I like Jim Carey. I thought though
"Ace Ventura pet Decective" was cheesy and daft.
I think the humour,of what we find cheesy and daft is sometimes so different in Britain, from America (maybe):erg: Maybe do not always
"Get the humour"
Like what the Europeans find funny,is different,satire. I found "Friends" Cheesy,at times.
I don't think I have ever seen Starship troopers!.
PeeperStorm on 25/2/2007 at 18:05
Most recently? A mere half-hour ago I finished watching Wild Wild West. Now don't get me wrong, I usually like cheese, but there's cheese and then there's cheese. Will Smith owes me two hours of my life back.
SD on 25/2/2007 at 18:09
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
What Verhoeven might have intended as earnest sendups of jingoism, violence, the military-industrial complex, yadda yadda, instead simply fell in line with the exaggerated treatment of these subjects every other big-budget action films delivers. (see: Independence Day)
Oh come on. Let's take Casper van Dien's character for example. You think it's a coincidence that Verhoeven took just about the most All-American actor he could find and made him
Argentinian? You didn't see that as an ironic commentary on the pervasiveness of American culture and the inability of the average American to have any awareness of countries or cultures outside his own?
And presumably you didn't read the allusions to fascism, combined with the overt militarism and patriotism, as another swipe at America? And you didn't see the war on bugs as being a lampoon of American foreign policy?
On the DVD commentary, Verhoeven is pretty unambiguous about the fact that the movie is intended as a satire. You can certainly view it as a dumb action movie if you like (and it works on that level too, which is a credit to the filmmakers), but to my mind, you're missing out on an extra layer of depth that is very definitely there.
Starrfall on 25/2/2007 at 18:52
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Oh come on. Let's take Casper van Dien's character for example. You think it's a coincidence that Verhoeven took just about the most All-American actor he could find and made him
Argentinian? You didn't see that as an ironic commentary on the pervasiveness of American culture and the inability of the average American to have any awareness of countries or cultures outside his own?
I took that as an indication that in the future everyone will be welcomed in any country regardless of their origins: Americans and Argentinians living in peace and happiness forever! But thats probably just because I'm not a mister grumpy pants who isn't happy unless I can feel vindicated in my grumpy-pants-ness by action movies about space bugs.
ZylonBane on 25/2/2007 at 19:41
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
You think it's a coincidence that Verhoeven took just about the most All-American actor he could find and made him
Argentinian? You didn't see that as an ironic commentary on the pervasiveness of American culture and the inability of the average American to have any awareness of countries or cultures outside his own?
No, I see it as absolutely standard Hollywood casting behavior. If it really were intended as satire (
good satire anyway) the film would have made some effort to draw attention to this. As is, it provides such minimal context that for all we know he just lives in a predominantly white part of town, or attends a segregated school. But the majority of viewers probably didn't give it a second thought, because as already noted this is Hollywood's normal approach to casting.
This is the typical sort of reaching I see from people desperately trying to convince themselves that Starship Troopers wasn't a waste of two hours of their life. I once stumbled across a newsgroup post where someone was arguing that even the "burial at space" scene was intended to be satirical.
SD on 25/2/2007 at 19:46
Ah well, if you didn't rate the film, then I suppose I can at least see why you've convinced yourself the director is lying.
Or was it just one of those things (like Thief 3) that you know are crap without even bothering to even experience it?
Celtic_Thief on 25/2/2007 at 20:42
Starship Troopers may very well be satire, but it still fucking sucks.
ZylonBane on 25/2/2007 at 20:44
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Ah well, if you didn't rate the film, then I suppose I can at least see why you've convinced yourself the director is lying.
Umm, I did rate the film. I rate it as extremely poor.
Gestalt on 25/2/2007 at 21:00
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Ah well, if you didn't rate the film, then I suppose I can at least see why you've convinced yourself the director is lying.
Or was it just one of those things (like Thief 3) that you know are crap without even bothering to even experience it?
I note that you're not actually offering a counterargument to what he said about the movie here.
The director doesn't need to be lying about his intent for it to be a bad movie and a failure. There are plenty of things in the world that are earnest, carefully considered, and utterly terrible.
