Daftest and cheesiest Movies. - by Gillie
TheOutrider on 25/2/2007 at 06:19
Quote Posted by Scots_Taffer
Bubba Hotep wasn't cheesy
enough to merit listing here. :(
WHAT
INFIDEL
EAT THE DOG DICK OF ANUBIS!
Seriously, how is a movie about two old men, who are of the firm conviction that they are Elvis Presley and a dyed-black John F. Kennedy, teaming up against the undead in a retirement home not cheesier than Army of Darkness?
ZylonBane on 25/2/2007 at 06:34
Quote Posted by TheOutrider
Seriously, how is a movie about two old men, who are of the firm conviction that they are Elvis Presley and a dyed-black John F. Kennedy, teaming up against the undead in a retirement home not cheesier than Army of Darkness?
By trying to make a character study out of it. I'm a huge Bruce Campbell fan, and sat down to watch Bubba Ho-Tep fully expecting to love it. Alas, I was underwhelmed. That script had so little to work with, they actually ended up doing the same thing twice in a row.
And no, Starship Troopers wasn't satire. It may have been intended as satire, but if so it failed miserably. In the end it was just a VERY dumb action movie.
Gestalt on 25/2/2007 at 07:20
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
And no, Starship Troopers wasn't satire. It may have been intended as satire, but if so it failed miserably. In the end it was just a VERY dumb action movie.
The fact that it was followed up with a direct-to-video sequel, an animated series and two video games that dump the attempts at satire is another good clue that it failed.
Lady Taffer on 25/2/2007 at 08:12
Wicked City.
Without a doubt the craziest and most awesomely cheesy Hong Kong trash you'll ever see.
You know it's gotta be cheesy when it's a live-action adaptation of an anime, for god's sake. .
Tonamel on 25/2/2007 at 08:47
Time Bandits.
Scots Taffer on 25/2/2007 at 09:45
Quote Posted by TheOutrider
Seriously, how is a movie about two old men, who are of the firm conviction that they are Elvis Presley and a dyed-black John F. Kennedy, teaming up against the undead in a retirement home not cheesier than Army of Darkness?
For perhaps the first time ever, I agree with ZB's reasoning entirely. In premise alone it was fucking gold, but I just didn't get the level of coolness that was achievable, the script was pretty bare and constricted, and there just weren't enough intentional (or unintentional) laughs.
scumble on 25/2/2007 at 10:29
Quote Posted by Tonamel
Time Bandits.
I don't rate that highly on the cheese factor. Daft, but not cheesy. Then you may be using a different cheeseometer to me of course.
SD on 25/2/2007 at 14:02
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
And no, Starship Troopers wasn't satire. It may have been intended as satire, but if so it failed miserably. In the end it was just a VERY dumb action movie.
You clearly haven't seen enough very dumb action movies (or Verhoeven movies, for that matter) if you think that was just a very dumb action movie.
Quote Posted by Gestalt
The fact that it was followed up with a direct-to-video sequel, an animated series and two video games that dump the attempts at satire is another good clue that it failed.
No, it's a good clue that it was milked by the studio for all it was worth.
ZylonBane on 25/2/2007 at 16:09
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
You clearly haven't seen enough very dumb action movies (or Verhoeven movies, for that matter) if you think that was just a very dumb action movie.
I'd argue the converse-- that it's Mr. Verhoeven who hadn't seen enough dumb action movies.
The tricky thing about satire is that it only exists within the context of its cultural framework. What may be biting satire somewhere, may be par for the course somewhere else. As I understand it, Starship Troopers was much more likely to be perceived as satirical by European audiences than Americans. This makes sense, as the sort of brain-dead over-the-top action films Hollywood churns out aren't nearly as popular over there. What Verhoeven might have intended as earnest sendups of jingoism, violence, the military-industrial complex, yadda yadda, instead simply fell in line with the exaggerated treatment of these subjects every other big-budget action films delivers. (see: Independence Day)
The other, more damning criticism of Starship Troopers-as-satire is that satire, as a rule, must be smarter than its subject. Unfortunately Starship Troopers was, without fault, a very stupid film. It was dumb in ways that could not possibly have had anything to do with any satirical intent.
It's a shame, because Verhoeven demonstrated with RoboCop that he's quite capable of making a good satire that's also a good action flick.
