D'Juhn Keep on 8/7/2009 at 16:44
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Quote Posted by Stitch
While I don't necessarily agree with the overly confrontational tone the anti-childfree side has adopted in this thread, they most certainly do have a point. Most childfree couples I've met--i.e. my closest friends--live in a state of suspended 20-something existence. I recognize that the freedom to get drunk when you want and purchase iphones and take two vacations a year is pretty compelling, but at a certain point--40, maybe?--that lifestyle will certainly grow stale. I'm not saying that all childfree couples are selfish and materialistic (or that having kids is the only next step of maturity), but these childfree friends of mine would all make fantastic parents, if only they'd take the plunge. The fact that they all have great qualities to pass on to children makes it all the more frustrating.
What exactly about this do you find frustrating in the first place? The fact they're missing out on something you think they should enjoy? Do you think they just don't want to have kids for whatever reason or are waiting until they're older? Are you also in the same responsibility-free state as your close friends are?
IT'S GRILLING TIME
Pitch on 8/7/2009 at 16:59
Quote Posted by Kuuso
Having children is one of the most selfish thing a person can do.
Eating and breathing are even more selfish. Please don't be selfish.
BrokenArts on 8/7/2009 at 17:03
Quote Posted by LesserFollies
What's scary is that, as Stitch says, the people choosing to not have kids are often the people who should. Family size decreases as educational level goes up, and that's not a good thing for this country's future.
Thats because there are so many idiots having kids that shouldn't. The good ones are scared into submission, and don't want to their kids around them. :p
MorbusG on 8/7/2009 at 17:10
Quote Posted by Pitch
Eating and breathing are even more selfish. Please don't be selfish.
It can't be since you're making another one to eat and breath. D'oh.
Stitch on 8/7/2009 at 17:49
Quote Posted by D'Juhn Keep
What exactly about this do you find frustrating in the first place?
I think they'd be good parents and raise good kids and the world needs more of both.
Quote Posted by D'Juhn Keep
Do you think they just don't want to have kids for whatever reason or are waiting until they're older?
No, they just don't want kids (the "too selfish" line gets tossed about a lot). None are "childfree" due to career ambitions or the like.
Quote Posted by D'Juhn Keep
Are you also in the same responsibility-free state as your close friends are?
Yeah, but the difference is were I in a long term, stable relationship like they are--they're all married couples--I'd want to kids at some point.
fett on 8/7/2009 at 18:06
Scots and Dia's first posts pretty much sum up my thoughts on this. Too many people have kids because they think they're supposed to, but I can't imagine my life without my two boys.
I don't necessarily think it's a maturity issue either. I still play in a band, collect old Star Wars memorabilia, get drunk fairly often (albeit after their bedtime), etc. Like Scots said, it's changed me in some very dramatic ways, but I think I'm still the same person I was with my wife and in my social life.
BTW, my wife and I call people who don't have kids "DINKS" - Double income, no kids. Usually when they don't understand why we can't just drop $2500 for a widescreen HDTV, or "just lease a car." :rolleyes:
SubJeff on 8/7/2009 at 18:34
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and you can sleep around with anyone you want
And you can't do this just because you have children? pfffft
also: Scots-spawn supercute itt
Taffer36 on 8/7/2009 at 19:00
Why not adopt?
Renault on 8/7/2009 at 19:38
Quote Posted by Taffer36
Why not adopt?
Is it actually possible that this person replied without reading a single post in this thread? :laff:
Taffer36 on 8/7/2009 at 20:06
Quote Posted by Brethren
Is it actually possible that this person replied without reading a single post in this thread? :laff:
See below
Quote Posted by LesserFollies
And there do seem to be plenty of Americans; if we're not completely replacing ourselves, that might just be a better thing for the world than not. We consume too much, and most of our children are overweight and undereducated.
No?
I thought my post had some sort of place in this thread. One such argument against having kids could be something like the above, to which I say ADOPT, because those kids already exist and you could POTENTIALLY save them from a shit life.
