AR Master on 11/7/2009 at 06:18
Quote Posted by Stitch
DO I HEAR A BANHAMMER
BANHAMMER
BANHAMMER
of course not what the fuck this is COMM CHAT wherein AR Master is currently owning all you nubs by taking this shit FAR LESS SERIOUSLY THAN YOU
Although he is absolutely right on anyone who flies the "childfree" flag with any sense of pride.
Also: Taffer36 calls AR a fuckwit WILL THIS PLACE SURVIVE
edit: beaten to the punch by the canadian legend himself, let's let his words carry the moment
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http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x119/drstrangeluv25/postingbros.gifTJKeranen on 11/7/2009 at 08:15
Posting since 2000 and still getting your kicks out of behaving like a 14 year old newbie, who just found out that he can write anything on the internet without getting seven kinds of crap kicked out from him after school by the bigger kids.
It's either highly commendable or pathetic as hell. I know which one of those options you'd choose, but it probably isn't what the majority of the people here would choose for you.
Bullshit like this certainly has its places, but it seems to be the only thing you have to offer, whatever thread you happen to grace with your presence.
Oh, and this forum has plenty of smart people on board to keep it "lively", some of the most interesting content I've browsed through here has been on threads, where the arguments have at times turned into full-blown flamewars, only with some actual thinking behind them.
This thread could have been one of those interesting threads, too.
Morgoth on 11/7/2009 at 08:37
In my country, we don't need to reproduce anymore, because the Turks are doing that job now.
Singing Dancing Moose on 11/7/2009 at 15:10
sometimes i like to rub one out to the handmaid's tale :eek:
AR Master on 11/7/2009 at 15:25
Quote Posted by TJKeranen
Posting since 2000 and still getting your kicks out of behaving like a 14 year old newbie, who just found out that he can write anything on the internet without getting seven kinds of crap kicked out from him after school by the bigger kids.
It's either highly commendable or pathetic as hell. I know which one of those options you'd choose, but it probably isn't what the majority of the people here would choose for you.
Bullshit like this certainly has its places, but it seems to be the only thing you have to offer, whatever thread you happen to grace with your presence.
Oh, and this forum has plenty of smart people on board to keep it "lively", some of the most interesting content I've browsed through here has been on threads, where the arguments have at times turned into full-blown flamewars, only with some actual thinking behind them.
This thread could have been one of those interesting threads, too.
Bullshit? Let me tell you about bullshit:
Bullshit is acting like you're king shit for being equal parts selfish, ignorant, and childish.
In any case, some people just don't have any idea what child raising is beyond "vapidslut babbies at my FAVOURITE RESTAURANT HOW DARE THEY" or dirty diapers, tantrums, etc. They want to accumulate money and live carefree, untroubled lives without the burden of caring for a child.
I guess I kind of get it and here's the only concession I'll make to an opposing viewpoint ever so listen up. I'm always feeling short of cash and wish "fuck if I didn't buy this big meal out for two I could've got this new watch" or some shit. The difference is that those things don't mean a fuck. The pursuit of material possessions is an endless, shallow drudgery that erodes your spirit. It's a true Sisyphean undertaking.
Being a responsible parent takes a level of dedication, sacrifice and maturity that some simply cannot reach. Whether that comes from their parents not properly modeling that behavior for them, or from poor education, or a shallow peer group is immaterial.
Simply put: people who don't wish to have kids, shouldn't. Chances are they'll be shit parents and raise shit kids who'll continue the cycle into eternity. Let the middle east outbreed you 8-1 until you're living in New Mecca, England or whatever shithole you're from
Now there is some A-grade, 100% real talk. If little fags like you want to cry and moan about how mean ol' AR hurt your special place with angry words go right ahead, hell accuse me of being religious again like it's a) true or b) a bad thing because this shit is still and always will be funny
*sips tea*
*adjusts monocle*
I say, whilst I enjoy a rousing discussion on these fine inter-nets, can't we do away with this rather brutish fellow? I daresay his shennanegans are quit unwelcome *dies alone*
Vasquez on 11/7/2009 at 15:43
Quote Posted by AR Master
They want to accumulate money and live carefree, untroubled lives without the burden of caring for a child.
Can't talk for all childfree people, but this isn't the
reason I'm childfree - it's just a bonus ;)
And what's with this burden talk? I thought kids are the greatest thing in life (at least for those who want them), sunshine and joy and everything happy?
Kolya on 11/7/2009 at 16:18
Quote Posted by AR Master
The pursuit of material possessions is an endless, shallow drudgery that erodes your spirit.
Thas true, but you're still a pinkocommieemofaget for saying it out loud.
Dia on 11/7/2009 at 17:14
Quote Posted by Vasquez
And what's with this burden talk? I thought kids are the greatest thing in life (at least for those who want them), sunshine and joy and everything happy?
In reality, though kids are the greatest joy of my life they're also the greatest responsibility I've ever had. The burdens, imo, are just those times when things don't go the way you planned and you're called upon to find the strength, will, & courage to deal with the current 'bad time' in your child's life. Times when you have to be the adult and no matter what your heart says, do what's best for your child. Those times when you realize you're trying to support a small family on one income, but then you realize it's not
their fault and you just do what you have to do to make sure they're healthy and eating right. And though the joys manage to cancel out all those times when I've felt burdened (hey! I'm only human, ya know), those difficult times sometimes still leave their mark. But for me the feeling of being burdened has always been very fleeting.
Sometimes I think that the feeling of being 'burdened' results when new parents believe they have a handle on child rearing, only to find out that as their child grows older the child is subjected to outside influences over which the parent sometimes has no control and some of those outside influences aren't in your child's best interests. Or, those parents who start out by thinking that their child is going to be just an extension of the parents are rudely awakened by disappointment as the child grow older. Both instances (or realizations) can cause a parent to feel rather burdened by this 'stranger' who lives in their house but over whom they feel control slipping away. Not to mention the financial aspect of child rearing. Don't even wanna go there.
Going back through the baby, toddler, early school pics reminds me of all the hopes & dreams I've had for my kids; but the bottom line is that your kids are individuals who are kind of just on loan to you. It's up to you to (try to ) instill morals, ethics, standards, values, and ideals in your kids, but in the end, they make their own choices. I call that responsibilities, not burdens. I don't mean to go all maudlin & mushy, but I don't think I ever knew what true love was until I looked into the eyes of my newborn son. Years later as I watch him grow I'm still struck by that overwhelming feeling of love and pride, no matter how many times he's been called into the school superintendent's office, or 'accidentally' broke a neighbor's window, or got in a fight in the school parking lot. My daughter just scares me 'cuz she's getting more beautiful with each passing year and all I can think about sometimes are those fucking predators out there who'd love to sink their claws into her. Thank God she's got brains
and an attitude to go with her beauty. But I love her equally and feel twice blessed when I look into her cornflower blue eyes. The hazards of parenting aren't what I would call burdens.
In spite of the hardships I've
never once regretting having kids and I know I never will. The joys I've felt as a parent far outweigh the sorrows and as I said before, any feelings of being burdened were always fleeting.
Vasquez on 11/7/2009 at 18:42
Again, I was commenting mainly to AR (and he brought up the burden thing himself). Childfree people call it "breeder bingo" when they meet again and again the same prejudices, snide comments and downright insults from certain type of parents, and he spurted the age-old classic: Childless by choice means you want to get off easy, and not having a child is a guaranteed ticket to worry- and stress-free life.
Wrong. You never get off easy - children bring their own variety of hardships and headaches, but not having kids doesn't mean you don't have all the normal responsibilities in life as everyone else. Also it doesn't mean you "don't care of others" - if it takes a child of your own flesh and blood before you're able to take concern over the well-being of others than your own personal ass, I'd say there's something seriously wrong with you.
(The you is general here again, not you Dia ;) )
Also, AR seems to have the not-so-rare idea that childfree people have a "to-do" list, where children are down there somewhere below all other stuff.
Wrong again. Children are not on that list at all. Some people just don't have even the faintest urge to experience parenthood, not even the good parts, and you can't "miss" something you didn't even want in the first place.
Taffer36 on 11/7/2009 at 19:06
Wait wait.
I thought we all agreed that AR was being a pompous, self-righteous, judgemental asshat, but that it was all a joke so we're okay with it. Right?!?! Why are you still defending yourself?
