june gloom on 13/7/2006 at 04:14
i'll be honest. i grew up on classic doom, duke nukem 3d, and quake 1. all 3 have taken over my life at some point or other, and i still play doom at least once every couple of months, and stay active in the community. enough to get yelled at repeatedly by the DW mods for stating a dissenting opinoin :tsktsk: ... but anyway.
it wasn't until after i discovered deus ex, and a few years later, thief and system shock that i started finding myself craving something a bit more intellectual in my first-personing.
funnily enough, i find half-life and its expansions and sequels to fit that requirement somewhat nicely- it's a rather unique blend of standard FPS and something more... adventurous. i always liked the idea of you being somewhere totally alone, having to find some way around an obstacle.
however, i LOATHE quake 2. the engine alone is painfully ugly, and the game's concept is stupid and tired. i missed the gothic/tech feel of quake 1. to me quake 2 through 4 are symptoms of everything that's old and tired in FPS gaming. doom 3 managed to keep me entertained (though i have my gripes with it as well) but i can't even play quake 2 for 10 minutes anymore without quitting in disgust.
then painkiller came along. oh my god. what an excellent game, for something so damned simplistic.
Whisperblade on 13/7/2006 at 07:25
I didn't enjoy SS2 half as much as Deus Ex, (then again I LOVED and still play DX, so thats still a high rating), primarly because I was always getting lost :p I hate games where there's no flow, it was one of the better games though.
AxTng1 on 16/7/2006 at 06:40
I agree with Dethtoll - for the longest time I had only Doom2 and Duke3d, as well as an infernal puzzle game called Chip's Challenge. When I first got back into "modern" gaming (around the time of Quake 3) I ridiculed RPGs and RTS games for not being any fun, and this is still true. System Shock is not fun, nor is it's sequel. I learned eventually to appriciate what else gaming can bring as a valid form of expression via RPGs, and now I play all kinds of games for different reasons.
Deus Ex is the only game that combines the two paths, and I love it for that. My "fun game" friends refuse to try the "deep games", and that does annoy me, but I know it's just a matter of time.
At least current trends suggest that more games are to be made with both influences - Oblivion is doing well amongst adrenalin gamers, and it should pave the way for popular acceptance of deeper elements into shallow games and vice versa.
The Sims still sucks though. :ebil:
Matthew on 16/7/2006 at 09:38
The Sims 2 rocks though. :p
ZylonBane on 16/7/2006 at 15:26
Quote Posted by AxTng1
...an infernal puzzle game ... I ridiculed RPGs and RTS games ... System Shock is not fun, nor is it's sequel
So what you're saying is that you're a knuckle-dragger gamer.
AxTng1 on 17/7/2006 at 04:14
No, if you read it you will see that I am saying that I WAS a knuckle-dragger gamer. Anyone who's played Chip's Challenge for any length of time must see why I call it infernal. Most of that post is in what I like to call the past tense, indicating that I am not like that now.
ZylonBane on 17/7/2006 at 04:29
Quote Posted by AxTng1
I ridiculed RPGs and RTS games for not being any fun, and this is still true. System Shock is not fun, nor is it's sequel.
Looks like present tense to me.
AxTng1 on 17/7/2006 at 06:49
Not all.
In my opinion, System Shock 1 is not that much fun compared to some "knuckle-dragger" games. The reason I play it is because of improved immersion and atmosphere. The same is true of Shock 2, to a lesser extent.
Ziemanskye on 17/7/2006 at 09:41
Just to clarify then:
then you do like the System Shock games, because of the atmosphere/tension, but you find the likes of Serious Sam more "fun"?
I put "marks" are around that simply because arguing over the nature of what is fun and how you define it is going to take forever. I like the less cerebral games when I want an adrenaline hit, I prefer something like DX or Shock or Thief if I want something more involving.
Like the difference between Clancy and Shakespear.
AxTng1 on 17/7/2006 at 12:09
Exactly. My point was that by the old standards of Doom/SS1, I would play them both for different reasons. I play DX when I want something cerebral AND when I want something fun - it's the only game that I've ever played that works both ways.
Serious Sam with 5 buddies on coop is about the most fun thing I've ever done. That tells you a lot about me. :erm:
