SD on 12/3/2006 at 02:35
but fafhrd you dumbass the world is only 6000 years old
nickolae on 12/3/2006 at 02:38
your missing the point. I've said before that micro-evolution happens all the time. (d0oms goats and Darwins finches).
Your forgetting the tree of life and all that jazz. The rat-like animal to whale deal or the reptile to mammal deal. Where is that? no where.
and yeah, it didn't take a million years for a cabbage and a radish to become a rabbbage. So why don't we see transitional forms today?
SD on 12/3/2006 at 02:40
Actually I heard that humans were transforming into cabbages in this very thread.
jay pettitt on 12/3/2006 at 03:01
Quote Posted by nickolae
Bio-Labs and their fruit flies. I'm sure your thinking of the amazing Four Winged fruit fly. If you take a look at the four winged fruit fly you'll find out that the other two wings are actually dead, they are not hooked up to any muscle tissue at all. The four winged fruit fly can't even fly, it just jumps around.....not very fly like. It's a mutation that could never live outside of the highly controlled, intellgently run laboratory :-)
Life de-volves. Organisms do not "get better" with time. Humans came from a perfect gene pool and it has degenerated to what we have today.
Evolution is by it's very nature untestable. I have yet to see one missing link, one laboratory to produce a cross-specie animal. Macro Evolution simply does not occur. Micro Evolution does occur (finches and what have you).
Err. News Flash. Fruit Flies have four wings. Granted, two of them are quite small, but they are attached to muscle and they are used to provide stabilitly in flight.
Yes evolution is falsifiable. Convict could pop back any minute with a static fossil record. But Falsifiable is obviously not the same thing as must be able to be shown to be false. Evolution by natural selection is a bit of a no brainer, so yes, unless Intelligent Design is on the verge of an important break through we might have to just go with the idea that species originate through natural processes.
Because evolvution is not readily shown to be false does not mean it isn't falsifiable. Similarly gravity is falsifiable because you might find an apple the falls upwards. Good luck trying though.
And yes the fossil record is chock full of inbetweenies (including lizard/mammal basal species - hadrocodium for example) aswell as evidence in the pollen record for specification through isolation and shared ancestory in chicken wings and a bunch of all sorts of other stuff.
Oh, and once again theory and fact are two entirlely different, almost unrelated, things. Science classes could really do with concentrating on science. Theory is parent of hypothesis. Science usage of Theory is different to common useage of Theory in much the same way that similar means different things in everyday parlance and mathematics. Therefore you can put your snarky dictionary away. A Scientific Theory is distinct from conjecture.
littlek on 12/3/2006 at 03:08
Quote Posted by nickolae
that report is great. It totally supports my point. I cant see one instance of a ameboa changing into a wasp, or a house-fly changing into a fish or anything like that.
With a comment like that, you don't understand evolution.
Nicker on 12/3/2006 at 03:25
Quote Posted by nickolae
And when it comes down to it. Evolution simply does not jive with the bible. Not only in it's narrative (Genesis) but in it's basic ideals. So that why I beleive there is something else going on with the origin of life as we've been told.
You know nicolae, since we cannot provide convincing proof to you, how about you prove something to us?
Here’s a little thought experiment. Let us say that you are right about Darwinian evolution and you are able to prove the existence of an Intelligent Designer. How do you prove the identity of that designer? How do you get from “The science is flawed” to “It must be Jehova!”.
It could be Brahma, Ymir or Nuit. Here's a few more (
http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html) creation myths you can prove primacy over, just to get you started.
Tocky on 12/3/2006 at 03:49
Or the concept of time, littleK. He wants an amoeba to give birth to an elephant as proof. If it doesn't happen in his lifetime it doesn't exist. Completely unable to connect dots and get a picture.
I suppose it could seem like beating a retarded child but consider that Darwin himself first studied for the clergy until facts wore him down. For my part I am proud of those with the tenacity to restate those things which should have been grasped the first time around.
MY CHILDREN, COME SUCKLE AT THE BREAST OF SATAN.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. Some part of me does apparently feel it is futile.
jay pettitt on 12/3/2006 at 03:55
Hadrocodium is (was) a lizard/mammal basal species. Part Lizard, part mammal. It's effectively a hairy lizard with a divided jaw bone plus mammalian ear bone. Which is I think what you were denying was in the fossil record.
Go catch a fruit fly. Look closely behind the two main wings and you'll see two residual stalks. All adult insects have four wings. It's part of the definition of insect (excepting a couple of obscure subterranian critters). Even the ones without wings have residual bits and pieces.
