DDL on 29/8/2009 at 21:32
The problem with saying things like "OMG TEH STIMULUS PHAILED!!!" is that pretty much, the alternative, non-stimulus based approached was complete collapse of the entire financial system as we know it. That you still have savings, and are able to go and buy things from a shop without first equipping your tricked out nitro-modded roadwarrior car and attendant sawed off shotgun (and dog)...is kinda proof that it worked.
Now I actually agree that the current economic model is unsustainable, and that trying to get back to where we were will just perpetuate the boom/bust phenomenon in increasingly ludicrous cycles, BUT: given that the system clearly needs to change, would you rather approach that change:
A) gradually, from a state of relative financial and social sustainability (albeit one with heavy debt) or
B) right now, by letting everything GET UTTERLY FUCKED and rebuilding from scratch? (also known as the Tracer Tong/Tyler Durden approach)
EDIT: Whoever decided TTLG needed a thread tagging system is a wonderful wonderful person. Passive aggressive ftw!
Rug Burn Junky on 29/8/2009 at 21:49
That's not what it says, and I've already pointed out why. Come back when you've read the trustee's report yourself.
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Stimulus was sold with a promise that it would keep unemployment under 8%
No, it wasn't. The purpose was to keep us from entering a really shit "Second Great Depression" - so far, that's worked. And it would have worked better, had assholes not held it hostage and taken actual true stimulus spending out of the bill in favor of less effective tax cuts.
EDIT: DDL just nailed this one.
Utterly fucking meaningless. It had a loss of under three billion on revenues of over $70B? In a down market? And this didn't cost taxpayers a dime because it doesn't get tax subsidies? That's not "Bankrupt" by any stretch of the imagination.
Sorry chief, but that's no big deal. Business sometimes operate at a loss, and it'll pick up with the economy. So again, you're pointing to shit that doesn't matter and pretending it does, is it any wonder why I think you're retarded?
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The fucking DMV
My personal favorite to bitch about:sly: but most certainly an example of a perpetual misery, while admittedly a state level agency...I pretty much just tacked it on to the end because I had to renew my license last week. touché?
Anecdotal bullshit. Nevermind the fact that corporate bureaucracy is just as bad, if not worse than the DMV. Ever deal with the cable company? The phone company? A... health insurance company? Of course not, because you're a fucking child, but if you'd had, you would know that bureaucracy and red tape are not the sole province of government agencies, so that argument is a non-fucking-starter.
Oh, and by the way? Maybe you just live in a shitty state: (
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/press/pr061306.htm) DMV RELEASES CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SURVEY
Overall Results Indicate High Customer Approval
And there's no way for you to exit gracefully after the astounding level of asinine thoughts you've betrayed in this thread. Best you can do is hope people forget how truly you have embarrassed yourself.
AR Master on 29/8/2009 at 22:43
internet argument gettin serious ITT
Rug Burn Junky on 29/8/2009 at 22:56
If I have one flaw, I am unable to resist tilting at the windmills of ignorance.
Tonamel on 29/8/2009 at 23:04
Hey, at least he's elevated his argument above "Nuh-uh!"
D'Juhn Keep on 29/8/2009 at 23:43
Quote Posted by DDL
are able to go and buy things from a shop without first equipping your tricked out nitro-modded roadwarrior car and attendant sawed off shotgun (and dog)...is kinda proof that it worked.
Having seen Mad Max and read The Walking Dead, I have a foolproof plan to instigate in these circumstances. To elaborate,
fett on 30/8/2009 at 00:37
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
If I have one flaw, I am unable to resist tilting at the windmills of ignorance.
One? ;)
Stitch on 30/8/2009 at 00:44
Quote Posted by Tonamel
Hey, at least he's elevated his argument above "Nuh-
uh!"
to be fair, Thief13x did introduce the brilliantly comical failed list of government-institutions/initiatives/whatever the fucks. He could not possibly have undermined his point more effectively.
Tell me one thing about summer that doesn't suck:
sweating
mosquitoes
drippy popsicles
girls turning me down at the pool
cars driving too fast
gassy breakfasts
being fat :mad:
Muzman on 30/8/2009 at 01:06
I'm always a little surprised when people come out with that 'Business is automatically better at everything' line. I mean, if it's merely in principle as far as their view of an ideal society goes I can understand (while thinking it holds no water in the real world, but hey).
But it usually goes way beyond that, as seen above: the saintly perfection with which business floats though the world, turning the efforts of men into sunshine and thornless roses. Jesus H Christ. It's firstly disturbing, but also suggests the people saying these things can't have had very much to do with businesses in any capacity. Business is by and large a stumbling inefficient mess, as unreliable as anything you can name, in a constant state of disrepair (and constantly crying to government for help to fix themselves or make their job easier; not so they can change much mind you, in fact mostly so they don't have to change their ways). Public service run places are slightly slower in their machinations thanks to deeply embedded accountablility. Otherwise they're pretty much the same as any large bureaucracy. The people saying this sort of thing can't have dealt with insurance companies very much, for example (here's bad enough and our insurance industry isn't as fundamental to the economy.)
These bullet point truisms like "Business must always be better because the market will punish them otherwise" are only accurate for very specific readings of all conditions. If you have ignore instances where it isn't true, or insert new conditions like "Well that's because the government is intruding/the market isn't free enough! Boo government!" consider yourself a zealot and go out and get some persepctive.
Rug Burn Junky on 30/8/2009 at 01:11
Quote Posted by fett
One? ;)
And that's an "if..." to boot. ;)
