TBE on 19/4/2006 at 00:21
Iggles, have you talked to any Iraqis since the US invasion? I was thanked by Iraqis when I was there for freeing them from tryanny. I've been in the middle east 6 times, and it's not getting much better yet. I think it will take a while, but the people there are thankful for the most part.
SD on 19/4/2006 at 00:23
Quote Posted by Taffer_Boy_Elvis
I was thanked by Iraqis when I was there
No, those people were American contractors ;)
TheGreatGodPan on 19/4/2006 at 02:05
Taffer-boy, you might want to be sketpical of what people say to you when you're holding a gun and they know you're likely to use it at a moment's notice. I'm sure there are some people there with that opinion, but a grain of salt should still be taken.
I dissagree with the "war for oil" thing, because it really gives too much credit to the war. It would have been simpler to just buy the oil from Saddam or invade Venezuela. Instead now there's less oil and it costs more. That's because most of the people accused of being evil geniuses are just incompetents. If you want to assert that the war would not have occurred if Iraq had no oil and lots of broccoli, then that's probably true. That's because then Iraq would just be another shit-hole whose dictator was barely powerful enough to rough up farmers and nobody would notice or care. I'm not saying nothing at all positive came out of the invasion, but I think the cons outweigh the pros.
I hope a civil war breaks out in Iran because Ahmadwhatever is one crazy dude and I'd rather he waste his energy struggling for his regime's survival than going out in an apocalyptic attack on the West. Plus Iran is just begging to fall apart, even more than Iraq, and my hopes for independent Kurdistan dovetail nicely with said break up.
SD on 19/4/2006 at 02:13
Quote Posted by TheGreatGodPan
I dissagree with the "war for oil" thing, because it really gives too much credit to the war. It would have been simpler to just buy the oil from Saddam or invade Venezuela.
Um, how would it have been simpler?
(a) There were sanctions in Iraq which severely limited the quantity of oil that could be bought and sold
(b) There was no way the American government could justify an invasion of Venezuela using the kind of tenuous and fabricated lies that they used to justify the invasion of Iraq, and there's no way that the British (without whom any invasion would have been close to impossible) would have tolerated military action on a non-hostile state like Venezuela
Jonesy on 19/4/2006 at 02:17
Inline Image:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/JonesyX/slove04.jpgBut today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
shadows on 19/4/2006 at 02:28
Quote Posted by RyushiBlade
Attacking Iran would be a bloody stupid idea. It would most likely result in a draft (we're not fighting terrorists anymore, kids, this is an actual
country with it's own damned military budget).
But the US is the world's most powerful military, surely they can handle one country with no problem? :wot: (not saying the US should attack Iran, just giving an analysis ;) )
jstnomega on 19/4/2006 at 02:28
Quote Posted by BEAR
What fucking oil, we havent gotten any oil out of this shit, what the fuck kind of invasion is this. Im not all that totally opposed to war or invading, but jesus we cant even do it right.
What? You thought it was to possess the oil to, you know, like actually ship it to New Jersey or something? No. It was about controlling (restricting) the flow of oil in order to jack up the price of that which is flowing.
It's been perfectly done.
TheGreatGodPan on 19/4/2006 at 02:31
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Um, how would it have been simpler?
We've fucked around in Latin America before, we even had a Corrolary named after Roosevelt proclaiming it our right and duty as America.
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
(a) There were sanctions in Iraq which severely limited the quantity of oil that could be bought and sold
And now even less oil is coming out, but the Iraqis are still getting oil at a (
http://blog.mises.org/archives/001293.asp) ridiculously low subsidized price. Plus, it would have cost, I don't know, about nothing to remove our own sanctions, which is what we should have done.
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
(b) There was no way the American government could justify an invasion of Venezuela using the kind of tenuous and fabricated lies that they used to justify the invasion of Iraq, and there's no way that the British (without whom any invasion would have been close to impossible) would have tolerated military action on a non-hostile state like Venezuela
It would have been more difficult, but we could have pulled off Iraq without Britain. Venezeula would have been easier. There was even an attempted coup there not too long ago.
dj_ivocha on 19/4/2006 at 03:27
Quote Posted by Taffer_Boy_Elvis
Iggles, have you talked to any Iraqis since the US invasion? I was thanked by Iraqis when I was there for freeing them from tryanny. I've been in the middle east 6 times, and it's not getting much better yet. I think it will take a while, but the people there are thankful for the most part.
When Russia attacked the Ottoman Empire in the 1870s and helped free Bulgaria from their oppression, all bulgarians loved them and thanked them. Most still do. But that doesn't mean Russia started the war because they cared about the bulgarians. :p
Scots Taffer on 19/4/2006 at 03:36
hay guys we still flogging a skeletal horse itt?
