Para?noid on 18/6/2006 at 20:07

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All music is about "having the right to make a statement", you mathematical prick. God, that doesn't even mean anything

Listen, your grammar is fucking hideous, you can't go calling me a hyperactive 8 year old on coke. All I'm trying to tell you, if you didn't get my last post, is that classic rock is dead, it's gone - it no longer satisfies or excites. There's still a place for it, but don't make it up to be the great musical "freedom" of the 20th century. You'll find shit like Jimi, AC/DC, The Eagles, WHOEVER, too deeply rooted in blues, jazz and early rock 'n roll. If you want to talk about fucken freedom, listen to some of that crazy John Cage shit or Brian Eno

Cheers,

trevor the sheep on 18/6/2006 at 20:29

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Look past Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Led Zeppelin then I suppose?

SlyFoxx on 18/6/2006 at 21:15

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Wow noid...classic rock a formula!? Got something up there?

And Rush is about the only band out there that is still relevant after all these years. They can still sell a boat load of tickets every tour after 30 years.

And AC/DC is still the heaviest band on the planet. You WILL worship Angus and the boys! Don't make me sick GBM on you.:p :cheeky:

HeavyJack on 18/6/2006 at 22:22

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I have gotten past the mainstream of Rock and Roll - the difference is, the mainstream of rock n roll back in the day, was and is better than the mainstream of today.

Artists like Jeff Beck, City Boy, The Band, The Big Three, etc. are currently getting the most listens from me.



the only truly great rap act I ever heard, was one I saw at a live club - it was this organ player backed by a wicked funk group, who rapped out an entire story complete with multiple characters, plot points, and action sequences.

There is some classic rap that I don't mind though, it has its own personality - I agree having no instruments is bogus, but it doesn't bug me like the crap in the mainstream today.

Parker'sSire on 19/6/2006 at 02:05

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Yeah, I hear you. (I suppose I should have said "sit in"). I guess that you can only play "Takin' Care of Business", "Freebird", or "Highway To Hell" so many times before you start to babble. (Alright, I know that's not representative of Classic Rock... it's a joke) :)

But I never got to play a guitar gig and rarely a straight piano rock gig. Often too much technology to pay attention to to just plug in or sit down and enjoy it.


To me, classic rap had a history, an evolution, that gives it some redeeming value. I think of the whole idea of record scratching, rapping over records, sample loops, and even the rap itself as due to a lack of tools, money, training, and even ability, that early street rappers, etc, had to deal with in order to make a statement.
Hell, even the rap/hiphop drum sound comes from the lack of money. If memory serves, the Roland TR808 drum machine was considered old hat when digital drum machines (LinnDrum) came in and were the only thing that rappers could afford. There were a lot of 808s around and, as used gear, they were cheap.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that "rap" history has been sort of rewritten... Example: "the awesome kick drum of the 808" became awesome after it was the only affordable tool to get the job done. (Lots of re-writing like that in rock history)
Now you'd be lucky to find and afford one.

The problem I have with "modern" rap and hiphop is that no one (at least not the fans) seems to know where the damned thing came from; musically or otherwise. (I don't think of rap as coming from disco). They seem to have forgotten that rap comes from a place where money wasn't the objective and you didn't have to use expensive equipment to emulate inexpensive tools, and maybe you couldn't sing well, but you could rap and still say something.

And now we have... 50 Cent.
The talent is tiny and the bucks and egos are much much bigger.