catbarf on 3/12/2007 at 02:39
Ya know, I don't really see what's wrong with Satanism. Sure, the Bible says he's a bad guy- but consider the source...
37637598 on 3/12/2007 at 02:40
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Oh God that OBE thing was just so... ack! Come on, just stop. I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Keep going fett - you can turn this worm yet.
Yeh, I look back at it and see how stupid it sounds... Why can't it sound more... scientific? I laughed at people who do it, still do cuz usually they lie about it... I'm not trying to convince anyone here, just laying it all out there.
jtr7 on 3/12/2007 at 02:43
Where are you getting the idea that we are literally a part of god, and god is a part of us? Which religious philosophy are you referencing?
SubJeff on 3/12/2007 at 02:49
Quote Posted by 37637598
Yeh, I look back at it and see how stupid it sounds... Why can't it sound more... scientific?
Oh, I'm not knocking OBEs, not a chance. It's the incongruities in your post and sometimes in one sentence.
"I was blind. All I could see was x,y,z"
"I couldn't feel a thing, it was like electric shocks going through my body."
"My hearing had gone. The only sound was yeah you get the idea
Gorgonseye on 3/12/2007 at 02:55
Anyone else think OBE sounds more like a bad soft drink? :confused:
paloalto90 on 3/12/2007 at 03:01
Quote Posted by 37637598
Ah I see. Well anyway, I suppose I will explain myself about the hell not existing thing.
Go get you popcorn and sodas now, this is the funny/ sad/ disgusting part of the movie.
A while back I heard of OBE, astral projection, saw a show about Lucid Dreams, etc. I was most intrigued by the concept of leaving ones physical being. I researched, reasearched, read, talked, and then experienced. For those of you who do not know what OBE (Outer Body Experience) is, you may read up on it (
http://brain.web-us.com/oobe/oobe.htm) here.
Now I'll sum up a few things. When you are in hell, you feel the gnashing of teeth, burning of eternal fire, demons will rip your soul apart, etc. One problem, your soul cannot feel! Pain is a physical trigger. You have no nerves outside of your body, you have no heart, you have nothing! No eyes!
When experiencing the free roaming of OBE, the feeling is only happiness. You can see all that is not apperaent, in my eyes I was seeing lightness in a dark room, I could not hear anything. There was really nothing to hear though... I could not feel ANYTHING. I really suggest if you do not know much about it, or have not experienced it, make an effort. It is real. YES I know this is coming from the village idiot.
That said, as a spirit you cannot feel. Pain does not exist. Sorrow does not exist. Only happiness. If Hell was real, how would it affect us spiritually? Perhaps God would have to send us back into a body of the physical world to experience pain... But if you are christain you would know that it is your spirit that burns in hell... This is my #1 priority right now to figure out for myself. I don't mean to come off as insulting to anyone.
Hell does not exist because.....
if you assume that God is a God of Love then suffering must have a purpose.
Even from a human point of view to suffer without reason would be cruel.If according to current Christian doctrine the soul is stuck in hell forever then there is no purpose to the souls suffering since he cannot learn from the suffering and improve his station.
Of course you could bieleve that if God exists he is just a cruel bastard and enjoys punishing people.
It is possible that hell is a place you pass through based on your own mental state at body seperation.The flaw in your OBE argument is that while in your OBE you still have your body to anchor you here, while at death you may end up at states in which you have as solid as a body as you appear to have now and thus can experience suffering..
37637598 on 3/12/2007 at 03:08
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Oh, I'm not knocking OBEs, not a chance. It's the incongruities in your post and sometimes in one sentence.
"I was blind. All I could see was x,y,z"
"I couldn't feel a thing, it was like electric shocks going through my body."
"My hearing had gone. The only sound was yeah you get the idea
I didn't say that! lol I said when you are a spirit, you have no eyes. You cannot see through eyes. You can see, but not as if it were through eyes...
I was saying I'm not sure if hearing is a part off the spirit because there was nothing to hear at the moment.
Shakey-Lo on 3/12/2007 at 04:21
Quote Posted by paloalto90
If according to current Christian doctrine the soul is stuck in hell forever then there is no purpose to the souls suffering since he cannot learn from the suffering and improve his station.
Going by this logic, there would be no purpose in the real world for capital punishment or life sentences without parole. Even if you don't agree with capital punishment ethically, you can see its intended purpose.
Vasquez on 3/12/2007 at 07:08
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
For some it is a guiding light like some far off vague lighthouse while stranded at sea, it is not an answer but merely a presence that reminds you what you should try to be at all times for the good of yourself and all the others (on your ship, lest you crash against the rocks to finish the analogy).
I'm not that religious, but this is beautiful :)
mxleader on 3/12/2007 at 07:16
I'd love to join the debate, but the closest looking thing to a bible that I have is a pocket reference manual that gives weights and measures.
