37637598 on 3/12/2007 at 01:33
P.S. Fett, Even after all you say, I still do not see him as being 'God'. I just want to express why without being mocked or murdered...
Jesus says "I am the light", "The bread of life", etc. But that can be taken many ways. If you take it literally, he means he is god. If you take it how I believe he meant it, he means "I am the image of god, a representative of the light, I am an example of how you may be godly. Follow me or my ways and God will accept you." I do not believe the spirit of God was inside Jesus body. I believe Jesus worded it that way because he wanted the people to understand that he pretty much was god so they don't need to worry about anything else. All you've quoted and said points out to Jesus being claimed as god, but that doesn't necessarely mean he was in spirit. Ya follow me?
Gorgonseye on 3/12/2007 at 01:37
Real question is, does it matter anymore? In the end, it was interpreted at the time as "I am god." (He may or may have not thrown in the word "morons" at the end of the sentence if he was feeling particularly annoyed.)
Ask SD, he'll tell you there simply was no god. Ask a current jew, he'll say Jesus was just a mad man, or prophet (The latter if they're a bit nicer). Plenty of people interpreted it differently.
Edit: Why do I even post?
37637598 on 3/12/2007 at 01:41
Because you have a valuable opinion.
jtr7 on 3/12/2007 at 01:43
If you are asking other people to convince you, then forget it.
This is for you to figure out on your own. The hows and whys are personal and cannot be explained properly. There are experiences that words cannot express. There are phenomena that science has not yet found an explanation for.
37637598 on 3/12/2007 at 01:48
I completely understand that, but there is always something to learn. I do not consider myself of any religion that I know of so figuring all of this out is kinda my attempt to see where I fit in... But because Hell does not exist (opinion), It's been kinda rough. :(
I ask no-one to convince me as I am pretty strict on my own beliefs, but I am also seeing alot of mis-interpretations that put christains into a powerball machine of inconclusion.
37637598 on 3/12/2007 at 01:49
Quote Posted by jtr7
There are phenomena that science has not
yet found an explanation for.
What is this?
jtr7 on 3/12/2007 at 01:51
A sentence.
Could you clarify what is not understood, so I don't make an assumption?
37637598 on 3/12/2007 at 01:53
Quote Posted by jtr7
A sentence.
Could you clarify what is not understood, so I don't make an assumption?
Yes sorry, What phenomena has science not yet explained?
Scots Taffer on 3/12/2007 at 01:55
God can never be substantively explained. This is fact. What religion is differs from person to person.
For some it is a crutch to proceed through life without any internal dialogue on morality or ethics, it is an easy guide to live your life by and rather than own up to personal responsibility they wipe the slate clean by confessing or "to sin is to be human" etc. These people also do not understand the true concept of reconciliation and will be the same sort of people who call Mary getting pregnant by God "the immaculate conception". They follow blindly, argue that faith demands this and live happily ensconsed in ignorance.
For some it is a guiding light like some far off vague lighthouse while stranded at sea, it is not an answer but merely a presence that reminds you what you should try to be at all times for the good of yourself and all the others (on your ship, lest you crash against the rocks to finish the analogy).
For some it is a disease that allows their prejudices and bigotry to launch from behind a shield of righteousness, they shallowly accept surface "religion" but practice none of it, hypocrisy runs hand in hand with bigotry.
For some it is their life, they either cannot or choose not to deal with the inconsistency of day to day reality and instead form their own protective bubble from the world, where life is nothing but a fervent belief and through that they can insulate themselves from the ugliness, pain and suffering caused by human nature. "Everything is God", "Love heals all", etc, are the pieties these people endorse which often have no real meaning in our cold and calculating world.
For some it is merely a tradition that needs to be shrugged off, as we've advanced as a race we have at times held beliefs that are now known to be contrary to established scientific fact, these rationales demand that religion, by offering no incontrovertable proof, be treated like every other idea without substantiation.
It is a lot of other things too, but it is never the same for any two people.
Gorgonseye on 3/12/2007 at 01:55
The existence of all life?