Scots Taffer on 12/12/2007 at 04:36
I like the sentiment, Tocky.
jtr7 on 12/12/2007 at 04:42
I can respect that. You do what you gotta do. I'd like to see the day that nobody, on any side, tries to convert anybody to their way of thinking.
See ya around the forums, then.
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So, 37637598, nobody wants to play in your sandbox anymore. "Peace Talks" have failed. :/
You can tell me if I missed the point of your thread. I thought you wanted to get an idea of how Christians believe any of the stuff they do. I thought you wanted to know where the modern interpretations of the bible come from, how Christians can say the stuff they do, in the face of science, history, modern thinking. And you weren't looking to be convinced of anything. Maybe not in your first post, but based on all your posts. How far off am I?
Koki on 12/12/2007 at 10:42
oh shit am i late
god isnt real guys
Spaztick on 12/12/2007 at 13:07
Quote Posted by Koki
oh shit am i late
god isnt real guys
no wai he iz 2
fett on 12/12/2007 at 14:31
Quote Posted by 37637598
This thread <b>MUST go on!!!</b>
Why is it that all of these majorly significant events took place 1000's of years ago and nothing has happened since??? Seems kind of ironic that so much has been lost in time. That facts have turned into religion and some partial evidence that may or may not be real... Something needs to happen soon!
Hurrrr....coulda swore I covered this on a previous page, but here's the party line answer:
The purpose of most every miraculous event in the OT was because god was literally moving mountains to preserve the physical well-being of Israel. It's from Israel that the Messiah would come who saves mankind from eternal separation from god. God doesn't perform miracles simply to amaze, they are always for a purpose (and seldom to inspire belief). The parting of the Red Sea, impossible military feats, etc. all fall into his category because the purpose was the preservation of Israel (thus the salvation of the world through the Jewish Messiah).
In the NT, Jesus performed miracles to fulfill prophecy about himself, prove his identity to the Jewish leadership and population, etc. NT miracles concerning the church (disciples released from prison by earthquakes, angels, the dead raised, etc.) were for the purpose of sheltering and protecting the early Jewish Messianic sect (Jews who believed that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah) which would grow into The Church that we know today.
Once these two things were accomplished (and they obviously were - both Israel and the Church still exist today), there is no more need for earth-shattering miracles. Both Israel and the Church await the return of Messiah for judgment and reward.
Now - whether you believe these miracles actually occurred is another thing all together. Here's what's interesting - every single miracle in the Bible points to one of the above stated purposes, and you can follow the effect of the miracle through history to see that it had a very profound effect on the long-term well-being of Israel or the Church. You can do this with miracles both big (Red Sea, plagues) and small (the unlikely death of single individuals, or border settlements). There is a consistency to these miracles that no other religious text can rival. Most miracles in religious texts are for the purpose of prompting belief, bolstering faith, punishing enemies, or simply to wow people with the power of the prophet. Though these may be the
effects of biblical miracles, they are
never the cause. This is just another issue that causes the bible to stand out as unique among other religious texts.
Some would argue that there have been miracles of biblical scale in modern times, such as Israel's unlikely victory in the 7 day war (and notice the purpose of that miracle - if that's what it was - is the same as the purpose of most every OT miracle: the preservation of Israel, though the stakes are not as high from the Gentile perspective b/c Messiah has already come. For a religious Jew however, the purpose of the miracle is exactly the same as the parting of the Red Sea, etc.
Stitch on 12/12/2007 at 15:12
I'm currently two weeks deep into Project: Grow a Beard Like Jesus.
Just thought I'd toss that out there.
Starrfall on 12/12/2007 at 15:40
You can't say that and then not post pictures you cock!
hopper on 12/12/2007 at 16:05
Quote Posted by Starrfall
You can't say that and then not post pictures xx youx cock!
How to fix this: insert letters "o", "f", and "r" as appropriate at red x markings.
Stitch on 12/12/2007 at 17:00
I'll have you know its affectionate nick "The Son of God" is not a reflection of lacking trimming habits.
suliman on 12/12/2007 at 17:04
That "red" in your post is totally redundant.
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