Taylor on 11/3/2023 at 21:36
Quote Posted by fortuni
@ Taylor
I understand what you are saying, we come across this occasionally when bug testing missions and we fix those doors, but this is a bug not a cheat is it not? I believe there is a way of cheating that speed players utilize by making doors vanish when they open them in order to save time when they come back through that door. What you are describing is a bug that occasionally occurs but can't be enacted my a player on command. Or can it, if so how?
I think opening it repeatedly forces it. Usually after the second or third try. But I'm not aware of a way to provoke it, this is just out of experience when I encountered this problem in various OMs and FMs.
Maybe someone can tell you more about forcing this.
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Can anyone confirm if these 3 cheats work in Newdark, would prefer to only include cheat that are known to actively work
NoKill works: tested it with my own FM Greyquarter Heist and Godbreaker's first mission. Upon launching a new game instead of failing the mission, the no kill objective were simply cancelled when I killed the first guard I met. (It needs a fresh start, because on loading up my last save, the mission failed just normally when I killed a guard.)
EDIT: the objective instantly cancels itself if affected by this, probably works only with simple objectives, because the "Don't Kill or Knockout Anyone" objective in OM "Framed" still fails when attempted, as well as the don't set off any alarms objective. Will check what's up with "Casing the Joint".
EDIT2: works with Casing's forced ghosting objective, as well as featuring the kidnap of a possibly dead Cavador :cheeky:
Seems like no OM has a simple NoKO objective so I can't confirm NoKO as functional for now.
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http://www.kepfeltoltes.eu/images/2023/03/11/370dump001.pngEDIT3: Also a sort of clipping cheat. Sometimes you can lean over secret doors. Carefully approach the target door, then try leaning through it. If succeds, you can lean through fairly easily, possibly finding the - not so hidden - switch on the other side, or taking the loot inside. Beware that you might get stuck inside if you're careless. Also it does not work consequently in every FM (supposedly either NewDark or certain authors made countermeasurements against this), but still works oftentime even in newdark and fairly new FM.
Recently I managed to perform this in Compulsory Egress and the cemetery mission of Death's Cold Embrace.
fortuni on 11/3/2023 at 22:40
Quote Posted by Taylor
EDIT3: Also a sort of clipping cheat. Sometimes you can lean over secret doors. Carefully approach the target door, then try leaning through it. If succeds, you can lean through fairly easily, possibly finding the - not so hidden - switch on the other side, or taking the loot inside. Beware that you might get stuck inside if you're careless. Also it does not work consequently in every FM (supposedly either NewDark or certain authors made countermeasurements against this), but still works oftentime even in newdark and fairly new FM.
This is due to the default physics of the some secret doors, a bit like most locker doors, banners and a loose bricks in walls where you can frob items through them directly without opening/slashing/removing them first, unless the author has made sure you can't.
Both Glypher and myself have the view the in real life you shouldn't be able to do this so we place a block frob on such doors/banners/loose bricks in our dml's, but this annoys ghosters as they are not allowed to do any property damage by slashing banners or removing bricks from walls, so now we warn ghosters of any such block frob in the dml telling them which line to remove.
Whether this reach through and grab, or even lean in and look should be considered an engine exploit I'm not convinced, I would say it's a common bug that you can take advantage of.
BR4ZIL on 12/3/2023 at 14:53
Maybe its too pedestrian, but can you explain how to do the "climb into the swinging blackjack" exploit? I see a lot of speedrunners do it
fortuni on 12/3/2023 at 15:29
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Maybe its too pedestrian, but can you explain how to do the "climb into the swinging blackjack" exploit? I see a lot of speedrunners do it
Don't know this one. Anyone else?
baeuchlein on 12/3/2023 at 17:16
If so many speedrunners do it, maybe there's some YouTube video which at least shows this exploit. And maybe someone could kindly post a link to such a thing, for I'm currently too lazy and too overworked to search YouTube for that.
BTW, a quick check on Psych0sis' video and the OM did not give me any idea on how to do the "infinite speed potion thing". But at least there was something to work with.
fortuni on 12/3/2023 at 17:36
I believe the speedrunners know loads of engine exploits but I guess they want to keep them to themselves, after all if they give away their secrets others may beat their proudly held speed records, so I'll let them post here in this thread if they choose to but I won't ask them the reveal anything they don't want to.
Give it time and over the years many more cheats will get posted in this thread.
May The Builder be blessed.
vfig on 12/3/2023 at 18:45
Quote Posted by fortuni
I believe the speedrunners know loads of engine exploits but I guess they want to keep them to themselves.
nah in my experience theyve always been happy to explain the exploits when asked. their fast runs come not from knowing exploits others dont, but from the many, many hours of practice they put in.
SlyFoxx on 12/3/2023 at 20:04
There's no fall damage from any height that I can tell if you can snatch a ladder.
Psych0sis on 13/3/2023 at 00:46
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There's a neat cheat Psychosis has made a (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq0el-aDXaI) video of an infinity speed potion that allows Garrett keeps going at speed forever, any ideas how to enact this one?
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I believe the speedrunners know loads of engine exploits but I guess they want to keep them to themselves, after all if they give away their secrets others may beat their proudly held speed records, so I'll let them post here in this thread if they choose to but I won't ask them the reveal anything they don't want to.
Give it time and over the years many more cheats will get posted in this thread.
May The Builder be blessed.
Sorry, I don't frequent TTLG much these days except for mission release threads so I didn't even know this question existed until Vfig pointed it my way. I'll try my best to give an answer but I'm not exactly sure myself as its all technical mumbo jumbo to me.
There's an integer variable in memory, g_ArrowObj that is made purely to make the arrow that is currently inside the bow to be drawn on top of the rest of the screen; it is set when you start pulling an arrow and it is cleaned when you shoot or unequip the bow. It is also cleaned when you equip the bow, and it deletes an object with whatever ID was stored there at the moment.
apparently it works because when you drink speed potion, a temporary object gets created for the speed script, save loading puts it in the g_ArrowObj slot and then you just pull out the bow and it deletes the speed script instead so it just lasts forever
a general write up for a guide to do it could be something like
- make a full save then load it
- equip speed pot, then an arrow
- drink pot, quicksave
- reload the full save, equip speed pot, then an arrow
- instead of drinking the pot, pull the bow and quickload while pulling it
Hit Deity on 13/3/2023 at 14:50
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What about the one I saw recently where you pull back the bow to shoot any arrow, but don't release it. Now save your game. Go to the menu and reload, and there is now an arrow of the type you were previously going to shoot, just suspended there in the air that you can grab, free of charge!
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Neat cheat, just the sort of thing this thread needs however I just tried that (playing Bad Hangover) tried with 3 different arrows, didn't work with me. Can you test this and post how this cheat is done, the instructions above do not appear to work as stated, guess you might have to do one other thing.
Posted by Jayrude at discord..
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"if you want another way to make floating arrows, there's a bug that lets you endlessly dupe them :garrett~1:
- Draw an arrow
- Quicksave
- Release the arrow and immediately quickload
congrats you have a nice floating arrow. If you pull out the bow again you can pick it up and you've successfully created an arrow out of nowhere"
