TheGreatGodPan on 22/6/2005 at 16:28
Well, Ultraviolet, I suppose if you live in a really poor 3rd world country with no jobs, everyone's unemployed regardless of their education and social skills. However, some people might manage to get out of the country.
KublaiKrim on 22/6/2005 at 16:29
Why not? I´ve seen a report about a boy attacking his mother all the time. They found out it was phosphate, in sausage and stuff. After a diet he became a friendly son. It was a serious report!
edit: this is in reply to Agent Monkeysee.
SD on 22/6/2005 at 17:17
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
You haven't thought this through. As per usual.
Don't be such a dick. By all means criticise my opinions, but please include your reasons for doing so, rather than just criticising kthxbye
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What the hell? Teenage thugs are randomly assaulting people because their school lunches suck?
Someone hasn't been watching Jamie's School Dinners ;)
But even so Monkeysee, surely a well-read person like you is familiar with the effects of artificial food additives on children, or the effects of a vitamin or mineral deficiency on children, or the effects of too much fat on children or... well, you get the gist.
madwolf on 22/6/2005 at 17:40
I blame Thatcher, but then I blame everything on Thatcher.
Agent Monkeysee on 22/6/2005 at 17:40
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But even so Monkeysee, surely a well-read person like you is familiar with the effects of artificial food additives on children, or the effects of a vitamin or mineral deficiency on children, or the effects of too much fat on children or... well, you get the gist.
Not particularly, no. But I doubt your childrens' diet is significantly worse than ours (I'm willing to bet our school lunch programs are worse) and we don't have a bunch of anti-social rejects. Just a lot of fatties.
I'd be more willing to accept some kind of social cause than mere diet. That sounds way too simplistic and I'm not aware of any direct correlations between poor diet and criminal behavior.
Renzatic on 22/6/2005 at 17:51
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I'd be more willing to accept some kind of social cause than mere diet. That sounds way too simplistic and I'm not aware of any direct correlations between poor diet and criminal behavior.
It seems to me that they're trying to copy the bloods or the crips, but they're not smart enough or organized enough to pull it off. So instead they just wander around in wigger clothes and start random fights.
Plus they huff gas.
SubJeff on 22/6/2005 at 17:56
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That sounds way too simplistic and I'm not aware of any direct correlations between poor diet and criminal behavior.
Exactly. You ideas are far to simple SD. Jamies dinners?!! Who cares.
The social problems in this country are due to culture and circumstances. We don't have any real respect from the young but that is because we do not respect the old. Therefore no-one can control their children. Add to that the deprivation and goverment funded unemployment and lack of education in our large cities and you end up with a bunch of idiots who have no prospects, want nothing but to laze about, drink and shag, who get money and accomodation for being irresponsible and having kids at 15 and who respect no one (certainly not themselves) and have no understanding of what it means to be a decent human being.
Working hours my ass. What is the average difference then? And what does that add up to every day? And what about the affluent parents who both work and who's kids go on to get a good education and do well? It's unemployed bums who spend ALL thier time at home that are the chavs and the chav factories.
Chimpy Chompy on 22/6/2005 at 18:09
The dinners bit could conceivably play some part in it, if a bad diet can mess with a kid's attention span or something like that.
Gingerbread Man on 22/6/2005 at 18:13
I think one of the reasons everyone starts looking for a bleeding-heart explanation for yobs is that they forgot there have ALWAYS BEEN YOBS OF SOME DESCRIPTION IN EVERY SOCIETY.
Closest to a universal explanation you can probably generate is that a bored and relatively unsupervised youth population will always have a certain percentage of members who get up to wanton bullshit. When the population density is high, they tend to coalesce into "gangs" just from proximity and shared aimlessness.
Course, the glue huffing doesn't help.
SD on 22/6/2005 at 19:16
Quote Posted by madwolf
I blame Thatcher, but then I blame everything on Thatcher.
Hey, me too. Well, we had less of this shit before she came along, and more of it afterwards. QED.
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I'd be more willing to accept some kind of social cause than mere diet. That sounds way too simplistic and I'm not aware of any direct correlations between poor diet and criminal behavior.
If I was saying that it was diet alone, then obviously that's being simplistic. It is one of a number of factors.
As to awareness of correlations... this is a relatively new area of research, but you could try (
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,743811,00.html) this or (
http://www.organicconsumers.org/school/news/YouthCrime.cfm) this for starters. Of course, nothing is conclusive, but then we've only recently conclusively proved that smoking causes lung cancer.
Also, Subjective Effect: I'll respond to your post when it ceases to sound like a Daily Mail editorial.
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I think one of the reasons everyone starts looking for a bleeding-heart explanation for yobs is that they forgot there have ALWAYS BEEN YOBS OF SOME DESCRIPTION IN EVERY SOCIETY.
Grrr. Most crime has causes that are eminently preventable. You can dismiss it all wishy-washy liberal propaganda if you like. I happen to believe, however, that it's no coincidence, for example, that prisoners are 13 times more likely to have been take into care than non-prisoners, 10 times more likely to have truanted from school and 6 times more likely to become parents at a young age.
