Renzatic on 21/8/2017 at 06:43
When you break every conspiracy down to it's core aspects, it always ends up with people being bussed somewhere.
hopper on 21/8/2017 at 08:49
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
As an aware independent, sometimes my point of view makes you partisan haxx jelly, I get that, so by all means flame away!
Aside from flattering yourself undeservedly, this is what you accused Renz of "fabricating" about you. Your lack of self-awareness is on a Trump-like level.
Kolya on 21/8/2017 at 10:28
I sometimes go to work by bus.
Kolya on 21/8/2017 at 14:13
dun dun dun dun dun
heywood on 21/8/2017 at 16:10
Quote Posted by Pyrian
A public, prominent statue isn't historical (except for facial features - and that only when they're well done), it's a commemorative memorial. In these cases, it's a celebration of racial subjugation and oppression, and the fight for that. The civil war is long over, but the struggle over racial subjugation and oppression continues on a daily basis in this country. It ebbs and flows, but it never ceased and it never even paused.
The struggle over racial subjugation and oppression continues
despite fighting the Civil War. It will continue despite removing these statues. And even if you could remove every symbol and record of slavery in America, it will still continue. Because you can't solve modern problems by fighting over past history.
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These statues were created by supporters of racial subjugation (klansmen) to commemorate warriors for racial subjugation (confederate soldiers) and now defended by protestors supporting racial subjugation (alt-right) - and there's a mountain of primary-source evidence that that's exactly what they were doing, even in those cases where "white supremacy" isn't literally carved in stone on the statue's base.
If there is such a mountain, share some of it.
Here are the men who funded and created the Charlotteville statue:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Goodloe_McIntire) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Goodloe_McIntire
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Shrady) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Shrady
Quote Posted by Tocky
Also on battlefields and Confederate cemeteries.
Leave the museums and battlefields alone. So far, the people trying to purge symbols of the Confederacy haven't paid too much attention to the museums and battlefields. Moving statues there is just going to give them new targets. As much as I dislike seeing these statues removed or destroyed, closing down Confederate and Civil War museums is far worse. I've already heard of one example, Nash Farm Battlefield in greater Atlanta.
Starker on 21/8/2017 at 17:25
Quote Posted by heywood
I've already heard of one example, Nash Farm Battlefield in greater Atlanta.
Well, the commissioner claims she never asked that the flags inside the museum be removed, just the ones visible from outside, since it was on public property. It's certainly regrettable that the museum decided to shut down in response to that, but really, it seems more like an overreaction on the part of the museum than anything else.
Here's a story that goes more in depth about it: (
http://www.myajc.com/news/local/confederate-flag-henry-county-comes-down-and-accusations-fly/kJ7J389GyfpefMyD37LumL/)
heywood on 21/8/2017 at 18:26
A bit of he said, she said there. And then the main donor took his toys and went home.
heywood on 21/8/2017 at 20:17
BTW, this happened in my area over the weekend:
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https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/08/19/live-updates-free-speech-rally-counter-protests-boston-common)
I was talking to a coworker today who went to the Boston common on Saturday to march. Although there wasn't much violence overall, it was all from counter-protestors going after the police. Apparently, there were groups of people who had come for a fight, trying to get through the crowds to the rally entrance to confront rally-goers. Having failed to engage any rally-goers, some took it out on police, throwing bottles and rocks and stuff at them, shouting obscenities, blocking their movement, hitting their vehicles, etc. The police were very patient and very few people ended up getting hurt or arrested in the end.
It wasn't all totally cool. According to my coworker, the crowds around the area he was in ran off anyone they saw with a pro-Trump shirt or cap. The police didn't let any press into the rally area, and literally pulled the plug on the rally, so the first two speeches were just live streamed from a cell phone. And then they convinced the organizers to call it quits before the crowd got too out of hand. They took them down through the garage under the common and drove them out of the area in police vans, but not before having to push through an angry mob blocking their path.
But considering the number of people who showed up, I heard some estimates up to 40 thousand, it could have been much worse, complete mayhem. The alt-lite group who organized this thing held a previous "free speech rally" in the same location in May, which was put together in response to the cancellation of Milo and associated mini-riot in Berkeley. That rally went off without much fanfare and a few hundred attendees. This time the police were expecting maybe a few thousand counter-protestors to show up because of Charlottesville. Not 40000.
