Slasher on 12/8/2017 at 23:22
Even some Republicans are calling the president on his embarrassingly anemic response. The president's refusal to decisively rebuke the racists that championed his candidacy was always a big fat cloud hanging over his campaign. Now we're here and he still can't find his spine.
Fafhrd on 13/8/2017 at 06:53
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Truth be told, reviving the Confederacy as a symbol of southern heritage has only been a thing since the mid-60's. Yeah, there have always been memorials, graveyards, battlefields, and the like dotting the landscape, but the only people you'd regularly see flying the battle flag before '65 would've been Klan. The whole trend began as a symbolic representation of the Dixiecrat stance against the Civil Rights Act of '64 before taking on its current role of HERITAGE NOT HATE!
I think you're conflating the Battle Flag and the Confederacy as a whole here, Renz. Most of these monuments have been up since not too long after the Civil War (and I can't find the article about it, but the construction of a lot of these monuments was funded by the white supremacist groups of the time).
The thing that bugs me most about this whole 'History of The South' shit is that it's maintaining this idea that the southern states are somehow separate from the rest of the United States. And that's an idea that needs to die. The only parts of the history of The South that should have their own curriculum are the history prior to those states becoming states, same as it is with every other state.
Kolya on 13/8/2017 at 22:07
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When questioned about the rationale for Trump's evenhandedness, the White House clarified that both the protesters and the counter-protesters had resorted to violence. This is notable in that the United States was once a country that did not see Nazis and those willing to fight them as morally equivalent.
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http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-battle-of-charlottesville)
Nicker on 14/8/2017 at 00:18
Quote Posted by Abysmal
Why can't he just say radical white nationalist terrorism?
Because they are his base?
Thirith on 14/8/2017 at 05:39
BTW, thanks to the mods for their modding efforts.
Renzatic on 14/8/2017 at 06:35
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
I think you're conflating the Battle Flag and the Confederacy as a whole here, Renz. Most of these monuments have been up since not too long after the Civil War (and I can't find the article about it, but the construction of a lot of these monuments was funded by the white supremacist groups of the time).
Yes and no. Before the Civil Rights movement, the idea of the confederacy being an ingrained part of Our Southern Heritage didn't have quite as much of strength to it as it does now. Yeah, we had parks, statues, and the Sons of Confederate Veterans (which I'm eligible to join, by the way) hanging around, but it wasn't quite so ingrained in the culture. The resurrection of the battle flag as a symbol of Southern pride (and southern resistance) in the 60's is really what kicked off the whole notion as we think of it today.
So the battle flag and the confederacy became somewhat intertwined from a modern viewpoint.
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The thing that bugs me most about this whole 'History of The South' shit is that it's maintaining this idea that the southern states are somehow separate from the rest of the United States. And that's an idea that needs to die. The only parts of the history of The South that should have their own curriculum are the history prior to those states becoming states, same as it is with every other state.
I can't disagree with this. This doesn't mean I'm all for erasing the history of the Civil War exactly, but we need to deescalate its importance. It needs to be more history, less a cultural cornerstore.
Jason Moyer on 14/8/2017 at 07:01
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
Most of these monuments have been up since not too long after the Civil War
If by "not too long after the Civil War" you mean the 1920's (when the Klan was having their populist revival), then I'm in 100% agreement.
Renzatic on 14/8/2017 at 07:09
If there is one thing I hope we keep around, it'd be the Civil War reenactments.
Once every few years or so, the Civil War Society will host a mock Battle of Ringgold Gap so close to my house, I can look out my upstairs windows and see them all these blue and grey people running around on the field. They fire off cannons and everything. It's so cool.
Dia on 14/8/2017 at 12:11
In the aftermath of the Charlottesville incident, what bothers me the most, besides the fact that there are right-wing nutjobs who are willing to murder innocent people because those people disagree with the nutjobs' opinions, is how the POTUS handled the situation. Deplorably, of course.
'The founder of the Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi and white supremacist website that considers itself a part of the alt-right, celebrated the fact that Trump "outright refused to disavow" the white nationalist rally and movement.
"People saying he cucked are shills and kikes," wrote the founder, Andrew Anglin. "He did the opposite of cuck. He refused to even mention anything to do with us. When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room." ((
http://www.businessinsider.com/neo-nazis-celebrate-trumps-remarks-about-charlottesville-riots-2017-8))
He. Walked. Out. Of. The. Room. Rather than denounce the white supremacists and their acts of violence (and their insanity), he just got up and left. But not before he blamed 'both sides' and 'all parties involved'. Sorry, but I didn't see the anti-Nazi protesters sporting combat gear and automatic weapons (I can't even bring up the whole tiki torch thing without laughing my ass off). And it was a Drumpf supporter who came all the way down from Ohio to Charlottesville in order to drive his car into a group of anti-Nazi protesters. Yeah, both sides need to settle down and take a breath, but Drumpf isn't helping that to happen. In fact, imo Drumpf isn't helping anything or anyone right now except himself and his elite 1% BFFs. Just wondering how much more of this bullshit our country can take.
As far as the whole Confederate monument thing is concerned, just put all the statues, flags, etc., in a museum where they belong. Putting the monuments, etc., in museums would not be 'erasing all symbols of the history of the South', but more like putting them in their proper place in history. The South lost the Civil War, slavery was abolished and the South never did secede. It's over so can we please just move forward now?
Oh, and could we also please have a do-over with the whole election thing? The Oompa-Loompa currently in office (and his regime) just doesn't seem to be working out. Only this time, let's not let the Electoral College participate; they screwed the pooch the last time we let them play.
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