Pyrian on 17/8/2017 at 13:39
Quote Posted by Thor
I'm not following this garbage as much as you guys, but I heard that when some wanker mowed down a bunch of people and managed to kill 1 of them as well, it got me curious: were they there because of political activism...
Yeah. A protestor deliberately rammed his car into a group of counter-protestors.
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If it's just political activists, then okay, whatever. A stupid cause to potentially give your life for, but that's just me.
The murder of peaceful protestors is not acceptable behavior. A protest is not supposed to be something one gives one's life for in the first place.
heywood on 17/8/2017 at 17:05
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Well there is a 2nd axis in there, but it doesn't need to be addressed, since both parties are usually well entrenched in the libertarian side of that axis. We're a classical liberal country as a default.
Of which axis? Definitely not the social axis. On the economic axis, you could argue that the New Democrats have made sure that all of the Democratic Presidential candidates since Bill Clinton have leaned toward the classically liberal. But there's always been a social democrat wing of the party. That wing of the party nearly won the nomination last year.
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I'm not following this garbage as much as you guys, but I heard that when some wanker mowed down a bunch of people and managed to kill 1 of them as well, it got me curious: were they there because of political activism and stuff or were they just there randomly going to a store and not realizing there's a bunch of fuckboys playing civil war and killing each other? Anyone here knows about that? If it's just political activists, then okay, whatever. A stupid cause to potentially give your life for, but that's just me.
Did you really mean to suggest that political activists are expendable, so if they get murdered, so what?
icemann on 17/8/2017 at 17:41
On one hand I can see why the taking down of the statue pissed off a lot of people. Many people hate the growing political correctness going on in recent years. HOWEVER, the massing of the neo-nazi groups, racists etc shouting their words of hate, culminating in what happened is not ok, and will never be ok. People like that need to be universally stood against and be shown that they are not welcome anywhere.
Trump not saying anything for as long as he did, shows (to me) which side he was on, and that's really shameful. To go from Obama to that is just meh.
nickie on 17/8/2017 at 18:54
Apparently Obama's tweet in response, quoting Mandela, is the 'most liked tweet ever'.
My understanding is that there was general agreement/consultation about taking down the statue. My understanding is that Lee's descendants think statues/memorials of him would be more appropriately sited in museums.
I do not understand and cannot comprehend how or why one colour or race or whatever thinks it's better than another. How did that happen?
Renzatic on 17/8/2017 at 19:13
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Of which axis? Definitely not the social axis.
Yeah, you have a point. It's hard to say we're indifferent to proactive about social issues when you consider our history with blacks, minorities, gays, and etc.. I think we like to consider ourselves more on the libertarian side of the social axis, but we're really all over the map in that regard.
faetal on 17/8/2017 at 19:31
Quote Posted by nickie
I do not understand and cannot comprehend how or why one colour or race or whatever thinks it's better than another. How did that happen?
Combination of stupidity and people scrabbling for a reason to feel superior to others which doesn't involve them having to make any effort or achieve anything.
Starker on 17/8/2017 at 20:26
Rachel Maddow did a segment on the issue in her usual slow context-building style:
[video=youtube;LmZNirYH5eU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmZNirYH5eU[/video]
I really dig these pieces where she starts with something seemingly unrelated and then ties it to current issues.
Thor on 17/8/2017 at 20:32
Quote Posted by heywood
Did you really mean to suggest that political activists are expendable, so if they get murdered, so what?
No, I mean it's a stupid way to die. But with political protests (especially these ones that seem to be carried out by dimwits that don't know anything about anything) I think it's a given that you're potentially endangering yourself.
Kinda like driving a car I guess (as in there's a chance you're gonna get dead, but probably with a bigger chance), but unnecessary. I guess my lack of respect for such things feeds into this view.
Goldmoon Dawn on 17/8/2017 at 21:32
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I do not understand and cannot comprehend how or why one colour or race or whatever thinks it's better than another. How did that happen?
I dont know, but I am *positive* that the worlds biggest most powerful government in all of eternity being led from inception by WHITE people has NOTHING whatsoever to do with it. Yeah, nothing at all. Just a funny little koinkydink.
This place slays me.
