Renzatic on 12/8/2017 at 19:38
It is rather strange how he's show willing to kick off the fiery rhetoric and frantic raving on Twitter at the drop of a hat, but the moment anything involving Russia or white nationalism comes into play, he immediately turns into the usual concerned politician carefully choosing his words so nothing can be used against him later.
Contrast today's Twitter responses to the violence in Charlottesville to anything he's said about North Korea, Mitch McConnell, the Democrats, or Mexican immigrant crime. A marked difference.
Starker on 12/8/2017 at 20:14
In retrospect, this Charlie Brooker clip turned out to be pretty prophetic:
[video=youtube;qmMUznSig3I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmMUznSig3I[/video]
And it's not even been a year.
heywood on 12/8/2017 at 20:57
I would rather blame the white nationalist groups who decided that rather than simply protest removing the statue, they had to be intimidating while they did it. And blame the antifa for matching their fucktardedness. I also reserve some blame for the people who are systematically trying to erase all symbols of the history of the South. From what I've read so far, it seems that no shots were fired. Thank goodness for that.
Fafhrd on 12/8/2017 at 21:04
Quote Posted by heywood
from what I've read so far, it seems that no shots were fired. Thank goodness for that.
A car was driven into the crowd and at least one person is dead.
And fuck the history of the South. Monuments to people who fought to both retain the right to own human beings as property and secede from the United States should never have been erected in the first place. Taking them down now is an attempt to right a wrong that should have come decades ago.
Renzatic on 12/8/2017 at 21:22
I don't have a problem keeping them in their appropriate places. I live just down the street from Chickamauga Battlefield, and if there's one place where having a few Confederate flags and statues of CSA soldiers would be, it's there.
Fafhrd on 12/8/2017 at 21:27
Nope. Don't memorialize people who fought and died for the cause of oppression and racism. Doing so contributes to the idea that they were somehow noble. There aren't Nazi flags and statues of German soldiers on WWII battlefields, there shouldn't be Confederate flags and statues of CSA soldiers on Civil War battlefields.
Pyrian on 12/8/2017 at 21:30
Quote Posted by heywood
I also reserve some blame for the people who are systematically trying to erase all symbols of the history of the South.
Wow. Consider this statement for a moment. "...all symbols of the history of the South." That's what Heywood just stated. Now, we're talking very specifically about the confederacy. This systematic erasure is focused entirely and exclusively on a five year period. And Heywood is stating that's the
entirety of the history of the south. Part of that is Heywood being full of it... But I would argue that the larger share of the blame is on the southerners who've made that their focus for 150 years and counting.
Renzatic on 12/8/2017 at 22:04
Truth be told, reviving the Confederacy as a symbol of southern heritage has only been a thing since the mid-60's. Yeah, there have always been memorials, graveyards, battlefields, and the like dotting the landscape, but the only people you'd regularly see flying the battle flag before '65 would've been Klan. The whole trend began as a symbolic representation of the Dixiecrat stance against the Civil Rights Act of '64 before taking on its current role of HERITAGE NOT HATE!
For some, it's contemporary meaning may very well be true. I'm not gonna call every single person who flies it a racist. But it's hard to deny it's very racist roots, and why it still bothers some people to this day.
And no, I'm very much against erasing the history of the South during the Civil War. I just think it's heroes and symbols needs to be relegated to the museums, where they best belong.
