Tocky on 17/11/2025 at 23:27
Always look to the very first thing Republicans do once they gain power over the house and senate as to what they really value. It is always tax cuts for the rich. If that is your priority then the average Joe never will be. To hide that just lie and stir up hate. It's easy with Republicans. They hate a lot. The ones who shoot people are just the crazy tip of the iceberg.
I still think most of us are reasonable people though you won't change a liberals mind about what is right and decent anymore than you will a Republicans. The real difference there is that Democrats still throw a bone to blue collar Americans. Republicans can just distract by giving their people something to hate while they filter more money to the rich. This latest hate because one of theirs got killed this time is dumbfounding since it has been so heavily weighted on crazy right wingers till now.
I don't want "words to persuade" anyone. I want actions. Not hate actions but actions to help US citizens. Throwing out another portion of society to hate (gays, immigrants, blacks, Jews, trans) doesn't do it for me. But sure, "yeehaw civil war the south gone rise agin!" because the left done struck back for a change. I thought sure threatening the children of judges would keep the lefties down.
heywood on 18/11/2025 at 00:12
Quote Posted by lowenz
Democracy has this inherent flaw.
Not as much as authoritarian governments and monarchies do.
DuatDweller on 18/11/2025 at 00:37
Its my idea or the image of freedom is very different for Far Right or Far Left anyway than to the one of a democrat progressive?
lowenz on 18/11/2025 at 08:39
Quote Posted by heywood
Not as much as authoritarian governments and monarchies do.
That inherent flaw is exactly what brings to authoritarian governments, no matter how you can and want "fortify" the rights because people will always dream to be with the dictator and "
bring justice to this wretched world" (=
avenge me, hero!)
Justice in fact has the same flaw of democracy, it's too much sensitive to "rationalized irrationality" (the almighty "common sense") so you'll always get someone acting like a savior/hero because system-failed people are susceptible to that kind of narrative.
The only solution is to create a system where there are no "existential goal failures" that push people in the trap of a manipulator.
SD on 18/11/2025 at 15:17
Quote Posted by demagogue
there are deeper problems going on where you have a generation that's losing its grip on reality on the ground
Like killing people because you can't distinguish a difference of opinion from an expression of hatred.
Maybe Tyler Robinson can self-identify as innocent. Let's see how far that gets him in the justice system.
lowenz on 18/11/2025 at 17:41
Quote Posted by SD
Like killing people because you can't distinguish a difference of opinion from an expression of hatred.
They're the same, in fact.
Stop playing the "leftist" on the right, Kirk fueled with hatred his campaign masking it with "it's a legit opinion!!1111 Just that!!11111"
Please, stop being hypocrite and just say "
Yes, we hate you bastards, we are right and it's why we'll never end the fighting, we'll bring the real justice".
Maybe you'll become less vulnerable to "candide" manipulators like Kirk and realize it's all hyped to sustain some *PERSONAL* political goals of people seeking power for the sake of it.
Nicker on 18/11/2025 at 18:56
Quote:
RippedPhreak: "You can keep saying this, and still exactly zero people will believe it."
You not wanting to believe the truth is not the same as every single person in the world not accepting it.
It's a dead give away that you are making shit up when you use absolute terms, like "zero people". I could assert that the moon is made of cheese and a number of people (greater than zero) will accept that as fact.
SD on 18/11/2025 at 22:46
Quote Posted by lowenz
They're the same, in fact.
Stop playing the "leftist" on the right, Kirk fueled with hatred his campaign masking it with "it's a legit opinion!!1111 Just that!!11111"
Please, stop being hypocrite and just say "
Yes, we hate you bastards, we are right and it's why we'll never end the fighting, we'll bring the real justice".
Maybe you'll become less vulnerable to "candide" manipulators like Kirk and realize it's all hyped to sustain some *PERSONAL* political goals of people seeking power for the sake of it.
I don't even know what this even means.
But I will just reiterate my original point: people keep seeing hatred where none exists.
[EDIT: it reminds me of discourse during the great online religious discussions of the early internet when, after asserting you were an atheist, people would ask you why you hated God. The idea that disagreeing with a proposition is analogous to hating it is nothing new]
And at the end of the day, no words could even approach the hatred of putting a hole in someone's neck and orphaning their young children.
Starker on 19/11/2025 at 01:29
There's plenty of examples of political hatred taken to the extremes in the last decade alone. But whenever an extremist takes up a gun and goes to kill their political opponents by shooting up a black church, a synagogue, a Walmart store in a Latino area, a mosque, or a children's summer camp, there's seemingly no introspection at all on the right -- no talk about what kind of political rhetoric drove them to this, whether the white replacement nonsense or conspiracies about jews or the fearmongering about non-white immigrants had something to do with this.
It's telling, though, that when political violence happens to someone on the right, that the immediate reaction from the right is threats of violence and revenge and, in the case of the US, a second civil war. I've heard plenty about how Kirk was the last peace envoy who was still willing to use words, and now the leftists will get what's coming to them. Most tellingly, a lot of it happened even before anything was known about the killer. I did not hear such rhetoric coming from the left when Democratic lawmakers were hunted down in their homes by an extremist, for example.
