lowenz on 2/10/2025 at 20:57
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
If what you say is true
white men are not just "white men", don't try to pretend otherwise (otherwhite? :v )
Nicker on 3/10/2025 at 04:17
Fifty Shades of White (Plus one Federal District and Five Inhabited Territories).
Starker on 3/10/2025 at 07:57
I'm not a fan of US Democrats to say the least, but as far as I'm concerned, even a cursory glance shows the difference between the parties -- the signature legislation for Democrats are things like health care and infrastructure investment, the signature legislation for Republicans are massive tax breaks for the extremely rich.
I can think of ways that health care and infrastructure (such as better access to the internet in rural areas) benefit young men. I do not see how funneling ever more and more money to people like Musk, Zuckerberg, and Bezos is of any benefit to the wider society. All they seem to do is worsen the condition for workers, try to stifle any potential competition and beg for government handouts.
Kolya on 19/10/2025 at 00:06
dema clearly described a spiritual and social crisis of white young men. health care and infrastructure investments are not addressing the point. then again RippedPhreak asking what the Left plans to do about it, was a bit of a trick question imo. because the Left have caused this spiritual crisis. not by giving women or minorities a better chance. but by vilifying men to the point where young women think it's safer to meet a bear in the woods than a man. and by having no role to offer to young white men than to cheer on others, take a backseat, shut up and listen, believe uncritically, think about their privilege and silently suffer the payback for hundreds of years of the patriarchy.
if you're a young white man today, you may have some simple goals: job, wife, a few kids. you may not mind sharing the chores. and unlike your dad you want to spend time with your kids and communicate your feelings to your partner. but historical punishment? even if it might never amount to anything practically, it still sounds like they're prejudiced against you? and you know, whatever you might achieve, they will always attributed it to your privilege. dozens of groups will always have the moral highground on you, while they're fighting amongst themselves for the top of the victimhood pyramid. why bother?
meanwhile some crooked types on the Right go on about the good old times, when men were still MEN etc. but it really doesn't matter what they say, because all you're hearing is: they are offering you a chance to become someone on your own account. that's all you want. and the Left cannot even offer this.
Sulphur on 19/10/2025 at 03:55
Hey, Kolya's back...
...so, bets on who jacked his account?
lowenz on 19/10/2025 at 05:53
Quote Posted by Kolya
and unlike your dad you want to spend time with your kids and communicate your feelings to your partner.
"I want to be a real man being the sensible woman of yesterday.....and becoming violently hysterical to the point of killing the woman not recognising my efforts to be sensible like her"
Maybe that's the "male" problem? Too much ideologically-driven "male" declinations?
What if this "crysis" is just a product of the hyper/over-rationalization and political weaponization of relationships made by the entire political arc because of an overgrown "democracy" trying to pathologize the reality?
Kolya on 19/10/2025 at 11:19
no one hijacked my account. I got a PM here and a mail notification about it and felt obligated to answer it.
I have somewhat followed the Charlie Kirk thing and so I read this thread. being on Mastodon for a few years now it was nice to read some long form well thought out posts about this.
on topic: I didn't know CK before he was murdered. the first thing I witnessed was a wave of smirking and sneering about his death. and a bunch of allegations about the things he said, like that homosexuals should be stoned to death. and then a few meekish retractions by people like Stephen King or a German political expert who had offered this argument on TV here.
later I saw a video compilation of people celebrating his death ("we got him by the neck-neck-neck" etc). but mainly I read people smirkingly pointing out the "irony" of his death by the same free guns principle he had defended.
of course it's not irony, because irony is an intent, not just things happening that look contradictory. oh well.
anyway I still don't know what type of guy he really was and I feel it may be impossible or at least very hadr now to find out and I'm just not that interested. whatever his views were, the fact that people smirk at him being shot, a guy who didn't hold any office, is more relevant to me. imo it shows that the political discourse in the US has reached the point of applauding murder. same for the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband of course and the adoration of Luigi Mangione. a lot of people on both sides seem so entrenched in their partisan views, they don't even care anymore about the values they allegedly defend. they just want to see their enemies get hurt and are burning every bridge. it's scary. I hope the US can come back from that somehow.
Nicker on 19/10/2025 at 15:54
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of course it's not irony, because irony is an intent, not just things happening that look contradictory.
WB, Kolya.
Intent is not a defining quality of irony. One can be ironic intentionally or accidentally. A situation can be ironic, like when the awful thing you wish upon others happens to yourself.
"anyway I still don't know what type of guy he really was "
Then you cannot understand why his death was ironic and you cannot judge those who found it so. Kirk was a racist and he said that kids dying in school shootings was a fair price to pay for the divine right of Americans to own as many of whatever kind of guns they wanted. He believed that the guy who shot him was entitled to own the weapon, without any test of his mental or moral health, and that if someone died at his killer's hands, this was an acceptable price for "freedom".
He was shot by one of his own.
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and the Left cannot even offer this.
How is the left not offering any opportunities for white males to be come better, self realized human beings? Besides public education, affordable healthcare, a working wage, environmental, food and industrial safety standards, what specifically is the left failing to provide (without dictating)?
lowenz on 19/10/2025 at 17:19
Quote Posted by Kolya
anyway I still don't know what type of guy he really was
The one absorbed by the false self to please other people and be "honored", like very self-righteous narcissist? They're really ALL the same and I mean it, because the base psyche function is the same. You
can't escape this no matter what you
want.
The irony is they think they're special, unique, on an holy quest "against the system" when in this sense of empty singularity they're the perfect, ultimate incarnation of the system.
