ignatios on 22/3/2006 at 16:09
GREETINGS PROFESSOR FALKEN
Shug on 22/3/2006 at 16:18
yeah you fucking retard
what the hell my browser completely didn't account for the 5 posts above me
Myoldnamebroke on 22/3/2006 at 16:27
stop trying to distance yourself from your outburst of Professor Falken hating rage
Para?noid on 22/3/2006 at 19:09
Every game of CRAPS always has a BACKDOOR
Lhet on 22/3/2006 at 19:48
There's some strategy to one of the games where you tweak your betting amount a lot, and you can get up to like a 99% chance that you'll get more money, but on that one percent chance, you'll lose the same money you could have made 99 times...or something.
I don't know it, so nevermind, all I'm trying to say is if you only want to gamble once, there are ways you can probably get your chances to work so you make a profit once....
kingofthenet on 22/3/2006 at 20:59
I see Blackmans point, but I don't agree with his poor outlook at getting even, I think getting even after being in the hole is HUGE, the way I see it any system for winning hands is fine(as long as you get to keep some of those winnings) its dealing with the losers, thats the tricky part, from what I understand playing a "Good" basic Blackjack game get you close to 50/50 win lose, I also sorta agree with his 5 loss rule, but assuming 50/50 odds it's like the coin toss, did anyone ever test this to see mathamaticlly the chance % wise that the coin comes up say head 5 or more times in a row, how about 10 times in a row? While I agree you can't "Beat" really bad luck it would seem to be against common sense, that sort of "bad luck" is common for a sometimes player.
d0om on 22/3/2006 at 21:43
A doubling up strategy is flawed. If you have a pot of 320 and keep betting 10, doubling when you lose in an attempt to get to 640 you will have to win 32 times.
You can afford to lose 4 times, losing 5 times wipes you out.
The chance of losing 5 times in a row is 1/32.
So to double your money you have to win 32 31/32 gambles. The chances of you doing this are (31/32)^32=36.2%
I would rather just bet all my money on one 50:50 bet...
kingofthenet on 22/3/2006 at 22:20
Quote Posted by d0om
A doubling up strategy is flawed. If you have a pot of 320 and keep betting 10, doubling when you lose in an attempt to get to 640 you will have to win 32 times.
You can afford to lose 4 times, losing 5 times wipes you out.
The chance of losing 5 times in a row is 1/32.
So to double your money you have to win 32 31/32 gambles. The chances of you doing this are (31/32)^32=36.2%
I would rather just bet all my money on one 50:50 bet...
I see your point, but I not talking about, just doubling up losers, and keeping at minimum on winners ,obviosly you need to have a strategy on "bet progression" for winning streaks too, Im just saying to get even is WINNING, money is money so if you are 320 in the hole then in the next hand you get Even,you just won 320.Might not put anymore in your pocket than when you started, but thats what winners are for.As far as the one 50/50 bet, part of the fun is playing and the chances of winning are only 50/50, not the best odds, and I know someone is going to point out the odds are always 50/50, but the odds for lossing many in a row aren't 50/50, they are much less
theBlackman on 22/3/2006 at 22:23
Your are EVEN when you start a game. If that's all you want, then why waste your time.
If you want to gamble/play for the fun of it and use the money with a "what the hell attitude" you'll lose most of the time and not just in the long run, unless you learn the fine points of the game.
The point is to TAKE THE CASINO MONEY HOME WITH YOU. Not just amuse yourself. Although, if that's all you want then use a Martingale, or modified Martingale. Better yet, stay home and play there.
Except for excellent money/bet management skills and/or card-counting stategies applied over a long term (one year for example with regular trips for a day or two) you are likely to be a loser.
I used to visit the casinos every 3 weeks for a 3 day run. I averaged 30,000 a year AFTER EXPENSES during my playing years. Sure, I had losing trips, but at the end of the year, I showed a profit.
Know the game.
Manage your money.
Quit WINNERS, and don't chase your money.
Don't expect to win every game, and realize that short term plays don't give you enough exposure to experience the built in odds.
You can sit in a game and the deck has shuffled itself into a pattern that will let your seat lose every hand, no matter what you do. While the idiot next to you is sitting in the magic chair and can do no wrong.
Decks of cards have runs. Some are short, some are long. You need to play enough to catch the long runs that favor you and learn to QUIT when you get beat over the head.
You like roulette? Play a cut-throat game. Get 21 chips, have them marked as $1.00. Make a 7 chip bet.
6 on the line, 10-11-12-13-14-15 and 33 straight up.
If it hits, then make the same bet with the payoff (ask for $5.00 chips)
If it hits, then make the same bet with the payoff (ask for $25.00 chips)
If it wins you walk with $750.00
If you lose the first bet, then make another 7 chip bet. If you lose the second, make the third and final. You give up 21 chips.
If any of the bets (1, 2 or 3) hit, make the parley.
BUT if you break on any one parley you started, walk.
IE. Win the first and start the parley. Lose the second or third bump. You walk with your 14 chips.
So you give the casino a chance to take your 21 chips, but are going to make them pay through the nose if the parley runs.
The reason for the particular numbers is that this cuts the wheel into sections like a pie. No matter where the ball drops you have a number in play.
With 38 numbers (36 and 0 00) on the wheel, a single number bet or a Black/Red or Columns leaves over half the wheel open without you being near where the ball might fall.
By cutting the wheel into 7 sections, you have a active number no matter where the ball drops.
This is a casual way to play with a possible big payoff, and a minimal bankroll lose. If you hit it one time (and I have more than once) the casino needs to take your 21 dollars (chips) in later visits and must take it more than 30 times to get even.
You can play this 10 or 20 or more losing sessions, but are unlikely to not win one or more in the 20 +/- runs.
If the parley breaks on the first bet, they get 7 chips.
If you never get a parley started, they get 21.
Once you have started a parley and it breaks (1st, 2nd, 3rd) take your 14, or 7 chips and walk.
Much fun for a "Here's 21 chips" but "I'm out for the kill" play. Easy, painless and for those jaded people, exciting.
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http://www.roulette-roulette.net/roulette_wheel.html)
kingofthenet on 23/3/2006 at 07:36
Blackman,
You are without a doubt MUCH more knowlegeable about Casino gaming than I will ever be, but what gets me (and please don't take offense) is you experts always bring up the monkeys with the typewriter senario,to try to imply you can't beat the odds, sure allowing enough monkeys to peck at enough typewriters, they will sooner or later, reproduce the complete works of Shakesbeer, but that doesn't mean shit, same thing with odds, lets say you can get the odds to 50/50, sure if you play LIMITLESS amount of games you will neither win nor lose, again it doesn't mean shit. lets say I win 50% of the time, now lets forget about that, because it doesn't mean shit, the only thing that matters is to NEURALIZE my losses, if I can do that everytime, the 50% winning times is mine to keep. Let me put it to you this way I got a coin we are going to lay 100 bucks on the outcome, heads you win, tails I win, fair bet right? Ok this time same coin, you are going to bet it comes out heads 5 times in a row, I am going to bet it doesn't, same 100 bucks still fair? how about 10 times in a row? how about 20 in a row, how much would I have to put up vs your hundred for you to take the 5,10,20 in a row bets? I don't care about limitless games, in a losing situation I just care about winning one,and getting even, the winnings are in a seprate pocket and I don't even think about them,so the way I look at it its like this, win 2,goes in left pocket to be forgotten, lose 3, get even win 1 goes in left pocket to be forgotten,lose 3 get even, win 3 goes in left pocket to be forgotten ect. and don't some casinos have no limit days, and other weird promotions?
Lets say I do this on Baccarat, playing banker just to keep things simple, since of Baccarat the limits are huge, I could with a spell of horrible luck go down 5,10,20,40,80,160,320,640,1280,2560,5720 thats 11 losses in a row, if you lose that many times never play again...but you gotta win soon, what are the chances whole number percent wise of haveing that bad of luck, hell 5000 is alot of money but not enough to change my standard of living and if that were to happen think of the great story you would have you could tell people you have the worst luck in the world.
