heywood on 7/7/2020 at 21:55
Well, at least we've gotten past the strawmen and are at the root of the issue now. This is all about the risk of a woman seeing a dick. Grow up. If you don't want to look at someone's body in a changing room, don't look at it. You talk as if trans women are just waiting for the opportunity to whip out their dick and show it off to cis women, which is about as far from reality as it gets. Where has this supposed problem occurred? Just give me one example.
Aja on 7/7/2020 at 22:03
Quote Posted by SubJeff
Are you seriously comparing a black man sitting somewhere in the theatre you're in to a person coming into a woman's changing room and pulling out a cock in front of female children and women who themselves may be naked?
I think it's pretty clear that I am because in both cases we're talking about an unlikely threat being used to justify the exclusion of an entire group of people. Again, there's nothing preventing a man with an erect penis from going into a change room now and exposing himself. If a cis woman is uncomfortable with a trans woman minding their own business in the change room, I think that's understandable but it doesn't justify bigotry. It's time that we as a society grew up.
SubJeff on 7/7/2020 at 22:08
There most certainly is something stopping a man doing that.
They'd be kicked out of the gym, likely permanently.
Here in the UK they would likely be charged for indecent exposure under the Sexual Offences Act 2003.
I'm not going to say you're stupid, but it's really beginning to sound like it.
SubJeff on 7/7/2020 at 22:12
You know, it's really amazing to me that we've got two people in here convinced that someone committing what could be a crime punishable by a prison sentence is no big deal and we "as a society" need to "grow up".
It's fucking incredible.
heywood on 7/7/2020 at 22:15
If a cis man did pretend to be trans in order to flash women, they would be kicked out of the gym too. And should be charged with indecent exposure. Same as if they didn't pretend to be trans. Nobody is suggesting that standard should be changed. I'm still waiting for an example of this supposed problem.
Aja on 7/7/2020 at 22:17
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You know, it's really amazing to me that we've got two people in here convinced that someone committing what could be a crime punishable by a prison sentence is no big deal and we "as a society" need to "grow up".
That's not what I said at all. What I said is that the mere possibility of someone committing a crime is not justification for denying the rights of an entire group of people.
Kolya on 7/7/2020 at 22:30
I'll take that as 'yes' for my invitation to the nudist beach.
Seriously though, (
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150686&p=2452446&viewfull=1#post2452446) you did say women who don't want to see another guy's dick should grow up.
It seems to me you're seriously underestimating the drive of many men to show their dicks to women and how much that annoys women. Like you never heard of dick pics.
heywood on 7/7/2020 at 23:21
No, I said YOU should grow up. Guys don't need to pretend to be trans to text dick pics or flash women in public. In fact, pretending to be trans would pretty much defeat the purpose. Give me an example of a cis guy pretending to be trans in order to flash women. Just one single example.
rachel on 8/7/2020 at 00:03
It's funny how this restroom so-called debate is always one sided.
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http://www.freylia.net/images/tg_reddit.jpgBeing transgender is fucking hard. It's mentally and psychologically exhausting. Absolutely no-one wishes they were trans, just because they want to go to the ladies room. People who
would do that are simply not trans. Trans people are still getting KILLED just for existing, ffs.
Rowling is stirring flames and creating a very toxic atmosphere, and not only excludes trans women but acts as if trans men did not exist, which is very telling. She is a TERF (imho) because she explicitly rejects the validity of transgender identity, and she seems to me more and more one of these feminists that pit feminism and trans activism against each other, when it makes absolutely no sense. Both cis and trans women, AND trans men, are victims of violence. They should be allies, and thank goodness the great majority of feminists in my experience are actually inclusive and intersectional.
I don't think most of the participants in this thread are transphobes, but good grief there's a lot of education needed. June is pretty much the only one who seems to have a clue about the issue here.
