Kolya on 7/7/2020 at 21:18
Quote Posted by heywood
You shouldn't restrict individual liberty for a hypothetical problem that doesn't really exist in real life.
It's not that hypothetical. In fact it happens regularly that men enter women's stalls, especially when couples fight.
Right now other women can argue him out with some authority, because "this is a women's bathroom! get out!"
Quote Posted by Jeshibu
What nefarious purposes would those be?
Well any reasons why people harm other people. eg to drag out their drunken girlfriend who may have looked at another guy. Do I really need to explain this?
heywood on 7/7/2020 at 21:22
Can you point me to an example of a cis man masquerading as a trans woman who went into a women's bathroom or changing room and assaulted (even verbally) a woman?
Even one example will be more than what I've heard so far.
Aja on 7/7/2020 at 21:27
Quote Posted by SD
I've yet to see a persuasive argument for why women and girls at, for instance, a public swimming pool should be made to undress in front of naked people with dicks. There's not a shred of concern on the trans extremist side for women who would feel uncomfortable about that. How can we allow our womenfolk to be exposed, literally, to that and be comfortable with it? It's absolutely barking mad.
I guess to this I would say that Black folks weren't welcome in the movie theatre because how could we expose our women to such a theat? But the times, they are a-changing, and I think in the end what's between your legs won't matter as much. People will adapt; people will be fine. Kids today understand what it means to be trans or nonbinary way better than adults, and it's just not an issue for them.
Aja on 7/7/2020 at 21:28
I guess the other option, if we're going to be prudes for the rest of our existence, is individual changing stalls, which already exist in pretty much every change room.
SubJeff on 7/7/2020 at 21:33
Quote Posted by heywood
Now you're saying the idea of a woman seeing a dick is barking mad. Are you serious? That's Islamic State thinking.
Are you serious? Are you actually serious?
You'd be happy with your wife going into a women's changing room and some dudes just going in there and pulling out their cocks in front of her whilst she's changing?
I don't think SD mentioned physical assault at all, but he did mention this potential scenario. And you're happy with that, maybe your wife isn't.
I want to know what Dia would think of that, so Dia, if you're reading this, please tell us how you'd feel about a stranger coming into the changing room at the gym, pulling his pants down and flopping out a dong in front of you.
SubJeff on 7/7/2020 at 21:35
Quote Posted by Aja
I guess to this I would say that Black folks weren't welcome in the movie theatre because how could we expose our women to such a theat? But the times, they are a-changing, and I think in the end what's between your legs won't matter as much. People will adapt; people will be fine. Kids today understand what it means to be trans or nonbinary way better than adults, and it's just not an issue for them.
Are you seriously comparing a black man sitting somewhere in the theatre you're in to a person coming into a woman's changing room and pulling out a cock in front of female children and women who themselves may be naked?
Does it matter if the cock is erect or not? Not to you I guess.
Kolya on 7/7/2020 at 21:38
Quote Posted by heywood
Can you point me to an example of a cis man masquerading as a trans woman who went into a women's bathroom or changing room and assaulted (even verbally) a woman?
Even one example will be more than what I've heard so far.
You honestly cannot imagine someone using this? There would be no masquerading needed. Just say "I'm a woman too, bitch! Now what!?".
You see, the bathroom is some sort of sanctuary for many women. Where they go to cry for example. I'm sure there are better ways to protect this space than disallowing actual trans women from entering. But they're not as feasible in any situation. You cannot post a guard on any highway gas station stall. You cannot simply put camera surveillance there. I don't know? Make a suggestion! Just don't completely ignore this.
SubJeff on 7/7/2020 at 21:45
Word Koyla.
And it's not men saying this for the most part. A lot of women are worried about this, and not because they are phobic of anyone, but because they are concerned that their safe spaces will cease to exist. You can call them phobic if you like, but it can't be true for everyone.
Aja on 7/7/2020 at 21:51
Quote Posted by Kolya
You honestly cannot imagine someone using this? There would be no masquerading needed. Just say "I'm a woman too, bitch! Now what!?".
Anyone can do this anyway.
Kolya on 7/7/2020 at 21:54
Yes, but as I said, right now women can argue him out with some authority. If you take that moral backup away you're making it harder for them.
