Nicker on 9/7/2020 at 06:33
That's more of a list of affected subtopics. Your previous attempt "Cancel culture is in one word a narrative perpetuated by reactionaries who are afraid of the mores changing and yearn for the "good old days"." is more what I am looking for. I think it leaves much to be desired but it was a game attempt. What interested me was that it provoked SubjEff to reply, citing the same letter you just cited, but drawing the conclusion that you, therefore consider the signators to be reactionaries. This seemed to either be a non sequitur or a failure to define terms in the first place. It's not the only instance of premature evaluation in this thread.
Many of the posts here seem to be more about arguing whether particular sub-topics are beyond debate and therefore justify silencing dissent.
So yeah, like Nasrine Malik I want to hear a coherent definition of "cancel culture", even just for the purpose of this thread.
Starker on 9/7/2020 at 06:37
Ah, well, I haven't read SubEff's posts for a long time now, so I can't really help you there, I'm afraid.
Nicker on 9/7/2020 at 06:41
I am not saying his post requires a response just that it seems symptomatic of a general malaise in this thread, wandering definitions.
Sulphur on 9/7/2020 at 06:44
No one here has a definition for it outside of a vague all-encompassing reaction to personally curated bits of social upset they consider representative of a society that suddenly appears to pull the trigger on censoring (or censoriousness if we want to wallow in ambiguity a bit) somehow.
Thirith on 9/7/2020 at 07:01
I'm a bit wary of responding to a question by SubJeff; he's goaded me into jumping through his hoops before and then ignoring my reply entirely (so yes, I do think I've got good reason to believe he's not acting in particularly good faith here). But I asked my wife yesterday how she'd feel if she was in a changing room and a trans woman with a penis were to change next to her. She said that she'd probably feel a bit weird to begin with, because she'd not be used to seeing penises in the changing room, but that she'd get over it, and that she's not there to check out other people's genitalia to begin with, whether they're penises or vaginas.
So, unsurprisingly, this: "But if they did, it would upset people more than the other way around, wouldn't it? ... Ask your wife or girlfriend or some female friends. Try it." may not be as much of an über-argument as some people think it is.
rachel on 9/7/2020 at 07:04
Quote Posted by SD
No, it's about dicks, and you seem to simultaneously want to associate dicks with gender, while denying that dicks define a person's gender. It's Schrodinger's Cock.
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And to repeat, nobody wants to prevent transwomen acting as women in public. We're talking about denying access to women's private safe spaces.
1. Dicks do not define gender. Stop obsessing about them.
2. Trans women don't "act as" women. They don't "feel like" women. They don't "want to be" women. THEY ARE WOMEN. Same in reverse for trans men.
SubJeff on 9/7/2020 at 07:17
Thirith, with the length of the thread and the multiple strands in it, I apologise if I missed an answer and didn't respond to it.
Can you point me in the right direction?
PigLick on 9/7/2020 at 07:48
you know I waded through this thread and couldnt but help think of this being somewhat appropriate
[video=youtube;X3Qve4nXMYI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Qve4nXMYI[/video]
uncadonego on 9/7/2020 at 08:06
When I read up on gender identity quite a while ago, there was research suggesting the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis is female in size and neuron number in male-to-female transsexual people. You can't see that in a brain scan though, only through an autopsy. There was also research on a different part of the brain for female to male transexual people. They even wrote that into a script on an old episode of Law and Order: Special Victims Unit (I think)
I don't know what the current status of those lines of research are, but it doesn't seem a far stretch that brain sexuality may not line up with gender assigned at birth by gonadal identity.
