Sulphur on 8/7/2020 at 09:43
Quote Posted by icemann
Aye well I tried that and a lynch mob showed up all with personal grievances with nothing to do with the subject at all. So its a lesson to be learned for all.
Positive side is making good use of ignore lists for those who speak nothing but vitriol.
Everyone who addressed your points shot them down with facts you provided yourself and your only rejoinder to that is 'woe is me'. This is not only hilarious, it's also very sad.
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 09:44
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If you're not going to be openly discriminating male vs. female transgender, then you have to demand transgender men stay in women's bathrooms.
No you don't.
Why do you?
rachel on 8/7/2020 at 10:03
Quote Posted by SubJeff
No you don't.
Why do you?
So trans women can't use their preferred facilities, but trans men can? Holy double standard, Batman. But what if a penis-wielding individual attacks a trans man in a male facility then? After all, he's a woman, according to you.
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 10:07
I do kind of love that SD talked about people being labelled transphobic because of who you're attracted to, was challenged, provided evidence and...
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 10:09
It's not double standards to have different rules for different people if there's a reason for it raph. It happens all the time, everywhere.
What's the definition of rape? Is there a double standard there?
In English law a woman cannot rape another woman or a man. Omg. Double standard? Pfffft
rachel on 8/7/2020 at 10:42
You're dodging the issue.
Let's see, By your admission, you consider that trans women are not women, but men, and cannot use women's facilities. I'm gonna go on a limb here, but by extension, this means that you consider that trans men are not men, but women... yet you also say that they are free to use the men's facilities.
If you're "protecting women" by preventing "men" (in fact, trans women) from entering women facilities, why would you let other "women" (in fact trans men) go to male facilities, where they're, as per your argument, at risk?
You're not being consistent. Either everyone goes is their AGAB facilities, or they can go to the one they identify with. You can't have both.
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 10:54
Quote Posted by raph
You're dodging the issue.
Let's see, By your admission, you consider that trans women are not women, but men,
Have I said that? I apologise if I have, but I don't remember that nor mean that. I think trans women are trans women.
I also don't, by extension or any other means, think trans men are women. I think they are trans men.
As to why I'd let trans men use male facilities - because they are unlikely to offend anyone when getting undressed and are not going to make cis men feel uncomfortable, that's why.
I can't believe I have to explain this.
june gloom on 8/7/2020 at 10:59
Quote Posted by raph
You can't have both.
you can if you believe in some gender essentialist nonsense about how only penis owners can commit rape, which ignores the fact that AFABs can be predators and abusers too
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 11:10
That's a leap.
Anyone can commit sexual assault.
The law in many countries, including the one I live in, defines rape as requiring a penis. That's only relevent to me as an example of how penis owners are already treated differently to non penis owners. Fwiw I disagree with the definition as I think non penis owners who force certain sexual acts on whoever are still rapists.
