june gloom on 8/7/2020 at 07:29
jesus what a head-in-ass argument, is this seriously what you're going for, "LOL WE THINK YOU MUST PEE SO DO YOU JUST HOLD IT IN?"
you don't get to complain about my debate tactics (read: i refuse to debate you, i've gone down that road many a time and there ain't nothing at the end of it but disappointment, and you hate it) and then pull this kind of 12-year-old shit
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 07:33
You can't see what I mean?
I'll explain it.
Dislike or disagree with an opinion because of the opinion, not who is expressing it.
It's not hard.
Aja on 8/7/2020 at 07:42
I think I'm done here. I said at the start of this that I'm still learning about the subject, and I've probably gotten in over my head by this point. I just don't see accepting any amount of discrimination as a reasonable to solution to the problem. We get through this by trying to understand and empathize with others' experiences.
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 07:45
So now the landscape is clearer and your assumptions have been shattered you're running away?
Okay.
Who do you think is being discriminated against btw? Trans people, or women who want women only safe spaces?
Thirith on 8/7/2020 at 07:50
Do you think your alpha male dick waving (that comment about Aja running away) benefits the conversation in any way?
In any case, you're making it quite clear: you don't consider trans women as women. Otherwise your statement above makes zero sense. At that point, is there any point in continuing the conversation? To me it sounds like a fundamental disagreement that simply cannot be resolved.
june gloom on 8/7/2020 at 07:54
Quote Posted by SubJeff
You can't see what I mean?
I'll explain it.
Dislike or disagree with an opinion because of the opinion, not who is expressing it.
It's not hard.
no, subjeff, i couldn't see what you meant because you couched it in one of the stupidest possible arguments on the planet
and anyway, the opinion reflects on the opinion-holder and the opinion-holder reflects on the opinion
i
already didn't like you, subjeff, i think you're actually an incredibly arrogant, willfully clueless person. quite frankly, we will never be friends, even if you were to suddenly agree with me on every position i hold ever because i still find you repugnant
therefore, SD agreeing with you on this indefensible position reflects poorly on him
Sulphur on 8/7/2020 at 07:55
Quote Posted by Thirith
In any case, you're making it quite clear: you don't consider trans women as women. Otherwise your statement above makes zero sense. At that point, is there any point in continuing the conversation? To me it sounds like a fundamental disagreement that simply cannot be resolved.
Bingo. That's the crux of my disagreement with SD as well - I was going to reply to his points and still might, but it's clear that the difference here is his not understanding the core issue of trans people's identities, and letting that run the course for discrimination because of poor logic. The same logic is still being used today to vilify and other black people by quoting crime rates, and we're supposed to have moved on from being intolerant shitheels; you can't argue any of this as an entirely isolated issue without placing it in the wider context of society as a whole.
june gloom on 8/7/2020 at 07:55
Quote Posted by SubJeff
So now the landscape is clearer and your assumptions have been shattered you're running away?
called it
you
always do this, as soon as someone disengages with you and your bullshit you get upset
SubJeff on 8/7/2020 at 07:56
Well Aja has come up with a lot what I consider odd ideas that appear to support the facilitation of potential crimes under the Sexual Offenses Act, so I think he's got a lot to answer for.
As to trans women being women - I support identification as whatever you want. Identification isn't a magic incantation though - it won't remove penises, grant vaginae, nor remove cis-women's fears.
june gloom on 8/7/2020 at 07:58
i've known you long enough to know that the only fears you care about are your own, subjeff
y'all obsessed with other peoples' junk, just like SD, it's creepy
