Para?noid on 18/11/2006 at 19:20
basically he's saying your ideas about how the world works are really shit and you should work on it
Bulgarian_Taffer on 18/11/2006 at 19:28
Quote Posted by Para?noid
basically he's saying your ideas about how the world works are really shit and you should work on it
there are people that believe in this bullshitness:
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http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)
I don't believe in everything that appears in the internet. It's possible that my ideas are shit, but people are different - that means there are many different ideas and we can't deem which ideas are shit and which are not.
Random_Taffer on 18/11/2006 at 19:41
"Once again, picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole. But for the person at the South Pole, shouldn't gravity pull him down as well? What keeps our person at the South Pole from falling completely off the face of the "globe"?"
-Taken from the flat earth society website.
:laff: What? :laff:
Vigil on 18/11/2006 at 19:41
Quote Posted by Bulgarian_Taffer
I don't believe in everything that appears in the internet. It's possible that my ideas are shit, but people are different - that means there are many different ideas and we can't deem which ideas are shit and which are not.
Uh, yes we can, and you know it otherwise you wouldn't even bother opening your mouth in the first place. Don't think that conceptual relativity is your get-out-of-argument-free card.
Noid put his finger on the futility of this discussion: Intelligent Design and evolutionary theory aren't alternatives to one another. Evolutionary theory tries to answer the question "How?" - Intelligent design tries to answer the question "Who?", a question science is not concerned with.
So evolutionary theory is fundamentally flawed - ok, our understanding of the planet's biological history and mechanisms needs reevaluating then, until we come up with a good working theory that can be used to answer the questions we have. But what does "An intelligent creator made it so" do for me?
How did they make it so? It doesn't tell me anything about the mechanisms by which this creator has put whatever plan they had into action, nor how they observe and influence the results; and it cannot be used to support any testable hypotheses or draw any usable conclusions.
It tells us absolutely fuck all about how the universe actually works. It is these mechanisms with which science is concerned and which evolutionary theory attempts to provide an explanation for.
Gestalt on 18/11/2006 at 19:50
Quote Posted by "Bulgarian_Taffer"
I don't believe in everything that appears in the internet. It's possible that my ideas are shit, but people are different - that means there are many different ideas and we can't deem which ideas are shit and which are not.
Sure we can. "I won't get hurt if you shoot me in the face" is a demonstrably shit idea, because it's senseless and easily disproven. Just because there are a lot of ideas doesn't mean they're all equally valid, useful, or based in reality.
The point I'm trying to make here is that you've embarrassed yourself, but you haven't realized why or how yet. By dismissing evolution as "only a theory", you managed to discredit pretty much any opinions you might have on the subject, because you don't even understand the words you're trying to use or the concepts they represent.
Random_Taffer on 18/11/2006 at 19:59
Ok it's official. This site is most definately not real and is a joke. (Although it was to me before I read this)
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http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm) http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
Read the current events page for a good laugh. Or any of it really...
Bulgarian_Taffer on 18/11/2006 at 20:05
Vigil...
Evolutionary theory tries to answer the question "How?" - Intelligent design tries to answer the question "Who?", a question science is not concerned with.
hmmm... not exactly. Better it should be:
Evolutionary theory tries to answer the question "How?" - Creationism tries to answer the question "Who?", a question science is not concerned with.
That's what the position of a creationist is - black holes, singularity, the beginning of the Universe, dark energy, dark matter- cannot be briefly explained by science- a proof that God exist, we don't care how and why, we know that God exists and we believe in everything that the Bible says..
The Intelligent design theory stays somewhere between creationism and scientific researches... It tries to explain the answers of both "How" and "Who" ...
What I've read from the posts of you and Noid I came to the conclusion that you think I'm a religious fanatic that think that man has been created from mud for seven days.
This is not true.
I claim that there are very significant problems with the evolution. For example molecular genetics can't prove the homology of some organs between species. That's it. Evolution needs rethinking. I can't believe in evolution in its current state unless there are some changes in the concept of homology, relative forms, macroevolution, etc etc...
Vigil on 18/11/2006 at 20:06
How about you give us a discourse on how Intelligent Design answers the question "How", then?
Random_Taffer on 18/11/2006 at 20:09
Quote Posted by Bulgarian_Taffer
What I've read from the posts of you and Noid I came to the conclusion that you think I'm a religious fanatic that think that man has been created from mud for seven days.
Actually you just proved that you aren't one. (At least not a Christian one) As any "religious fanatic" would know that god created the Earth in seven days. Not man.
Para?noid on 18/11/2006 at 20:13
Quote Posted by Vigil
How about you give us a discourse on how Intelligent Design answers the question "How", then?
yes my balls are quivering in anticipation for this one
