demagogue on 24/3/2019 at 03:31
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/22/it-was-not-clear-if-she-had-a-plan-at-all-how-mays-night-at-the-summit-unfolded?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR3ZjLjgXfy-KV2SLLfkL66I7_Dk20bT6iPxuIAGqMuRvxJOGwFgMtzWTaU) Holy shit. :nono:
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“Theresa May usually gets less than an hour to explain her Brexit plans to the EU's 27 leaders at regular summits. Finally, with only eight days to go until the original deadline, the British prime minister was granted a full 90 minutes in the multi-coloured summit room in the Europa headquarters. For the EU, it was not time well spent.
“It was 90 minutes of nothing,” one EU source said. “She didn't even give clarity if she is organising a vote. Asked three times what she would do if she lost the vote, she couldn't say. It was fucking awful. Dreadful. Evasive even by her standards.”
Around a dozen EU leaders peppered the British prime minister with questions. Did she have a plan B? How was she going to gain a majority? When would she hold the vote? “She very much dodged these questions,” a second EU source said. A third source said: “She was not convincing. It was not clear if she had a plan B; it was not clear if she had a plan at all.”
SubJeff on 24/3/2019 at 09:17
This is standard for British politicians though.
Isn't it the same everywhere?
Jacob Rees-Mogg at least answers the question.
Starker on 29/3/2019 at 02:21
So the latest plot twist in the ongoing Brexit saga was that the Parliament took control of Brexit and proceeded to vote down all of the options. Stay tuned to the next cliffhanger after May brings her deal back for the third time, this time baited with her resignation (thought we already know what the word of Ms No Early Election is worth), and the next series of indicative votes is held on Monday (in the quite likely event May's deal gets voted down for the third time).
demagogue on 29/3/2019 at 05:59
And for the record the least unpopular of the options was the customs union route, to bring that up again. If democracy whispers with any voice, that's the closest they'll ever get to hearing it saying anything. I'm not sure the situation will change for the foreseeable future, so I think it's the least-disruptive out they have now. Only the over-optimist in me thinks the way out could be that easy though. I'm sure they'll find a way to screw that up too.
WingedKagouti on 29/3/2019 at 12:56
Quote Posted by Starker
So the latest plot twist in the ongoing Brexit saga was that the Parliament took control of Brexit and proceeded to vote down all of the options.
What actually happened was that they had what's called an "Indicative Vote". A vote for which the purpose isn't to find something that gets a majority, but rather to see which options most MPs like and which options are most disliked, so that a proposal that has a chance of passing through parliament can be made. The motion that put forth the indicative vote even stated as much, but I guess the press glossed over that minor detail in their search for a "Politicians don't know how to do anything" headlines.
The main reason no option got a majority was that every single MP tried to game the system so it would appear that their favoured option got most support while the options they actively disliked had most support against them. The options they wouldn't mind, but also didn't prefer, they abstained on to leave them open in case their preferred options did not garner support. That obviously does not mean that every abstain on an option is a vote for that option, as MPs are likely to have a ranking even among them (and their party may obviously tell them to vote against something), but the two most agreed upon options are very likely to be the focus of the next vote on the subject.
Starker on 29/3/2019 at 13:05
Yes, I know how indicative voting works, thank you. And, as I wrote:
Quote Posted by Starker
the next series of indicative votes is held on Monday
What I was condemning with my comment was precisely that sort of gaming the system and kicking the ball down the road.
Starker on 30/3/2019 at 06:12
Seems about right. Also, looks like May may seek yet another vote for her deal next week. Fourth time's the charm? Maybe this time it will be defeated by a less embarrassing margin, at least.
Gray on 30/3/2019 at 11:20
You missed a couple of very important bits there demagogue, there are at least three more "fuck knows" that we're not yet fully aware of. And if history is any guide, we won't be until way after it was important.
rachel on 30/3/2019 at 11:21
Genuinely curious, is there any chance the whole thing could be scrapped and UK remains, or is it a guaranteed wreck at this point?