Manwe on 19/6/2016 at 11:45
Quote Posted by Vivian
There's some reports of it here: (
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/16/labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-in-west-yorkshire)
And the dickheads in question have released a statement saying NOPE WASN'T US on their website (which I'm not linking to because they can fuck right off). I believe them, they're racist dicks but they're not (yet) up to assassination or anything. Beating up brown kids in alleys is more their vibe.
And the remain camp has just won it seems. How convenient, just a few days before the vote, just as it was about to lose. Sort of like that other important EU vote in Sweden in 2003...
Now voting Brexit means you're a murderer and a hater of women! On top of being a fascist, racist, nationalist, antisemite, baby killer!
Also "helpful employment legislation that came from the EU" whoever mentioned that in this thread has a bright future as a comedian. Ask the French working class what they think of the wonderful employment legislation currently being imposed by our government and coming straight from the EU labs.
But I wouldn't expect parasites who've never worked a single day in their lives to understand...
Vivian on 19/6/2016 at 11:58
Ah, nice to know there's at least one of you guys here. Hi!
faetal on 19/6/2016 at 14:45
Quote Posted by Manwe
Also "helpful employment legislation that came from the EU" whoever mentioned that in this thread has a bright future as a comedian.
That was me. What does the French legislation you refer to have to do with the EU improvements to working life in the UK?
If you think that the UK's lot will be improved by Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage though, I have some magic beans to sell you.
SD on 19/6/2016 at 15:08
Quote Posted by faetal
If you think that the UK's lot will be improved by Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage though, I have some magic beans to sell you.
Looks like he's already bought some. And swallowed the lot.
caffeinatedzombeh on 19/6/2016 at 17:30
Quote Posted by Manwe
Also "helpful employment legislation that came from the EU" whoever mentioned that in this thread has a bright future as a comedian. Ask the French working class what they think of the wonderful employment legislation currently being imposed by our government and coming straight from the EU labs.
I would imagine they're referring to working time (which you can opt out of so I'm not all that sure how many people it protects), minimum paid holiday (uk minimum is higher than the EU) and maternity pay (the uk again is higher than the EU limit).
It's not hard to find things the EU has imposed minimum levels on that are reasonably sensible and a good thing for most of the people they affect. Compare that sort of thing to CAP, CFP and VAT though.
Perhaps without the UK as a member the EU might actually do something about all the things it needs to change, perhaps they might even decide to do something about Greece.
Outside of the EU perhaps the UK can start treating people and goods based on who and what they are and the benefits they can bring to us rather than something as irrelevant as where they came from.
Vivian on 19/6/2016 at 19:17
Quote Posted by caffeinatedzombeh
Compare that sort of thing to CAP, CFP and VAT though.
What do you mean? Are those affected by the EU? I'm trying to become better informed about these things.
Manwe on 19/6/2016 at 19:45
Quote Posted by faetal
If you think that the UK's lot will be improved by Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage though, I have some magic beans to sell you.
And thanks for proving my point. God forbid someone could be against Europe precisely because it's a racist construction with arbitrary frontiers separating whites from the less desirable coloured people (Hint: some of the walls lining those frontiers would make Trump cream his pants), and because it is leading us into an inevitable conflict with a superpower (Hint: Russia is right on our doorstep, it's not in our best interest to antagonize them). But no all that is just too hard to understand for someone like you I guess, too many grey areas.
caffeinatedzombeh on 19/6/2016 at 19:55
Quote Posted by "Vivian"
What do you mean? Are those affected by the EU?
Yes, the Common Agricultural Policy is what some 35% of EU spending goes on. I'm not sure if CFP is part of that or a separate thing and can't be arsed to look it up. Google will tell you more about it in a far less biased and more informed way than I ever could or would.
It's gone through various reforms over the years to make it less evil but ultimately protectionism is still shit even if you've decided that paying farmers to not grow stuff is less evil than paying them to grow too much then buying it off them and throwing it away or exporting it to other parts of the world so that farmers there are undercut to the point it's uneconomical to grow food.
The EU's fisheries policy has destroyed fishing as in industry in the UK, whether drawing lines in the sea and saying "that's ours you can't fish there" is better or worse than dividing it all up between member states and handing out quotas which they then sell to each other instead of, you know, fishing, I'm not really that sure. It's certainly better for the UK to have control over its own waters but that might not be the best thing for the world as a whole.
Dumping tons of perfectly edible food because you'll be fined so much it wasn't worth the effort of catching it in the first place is a daft idea and in that respect Common Fisheries Policy is bad for fishermen, bad for people who eat fish and bad for fish.
I don't particularly like the EU version of VAT for a bunch of reasons but mostly the restrictions on what can be 0 or reduced rated are a bit shit and the €100,000 registration threshold seriously distorts competition between businesses that are close to that, especially the ones that lie about it.
Vivian on 19/6/2016 at 19:58
OK, the fishing thing is trying to ensure that there ARE any goddamn fish left, I know about that one. You're not supposed to dump it, you're not supposed to haul it out of the sea in the first place?
hang on trying to find some data about the north sea in particular, but globally the current amount of fish left is fucking embarrassing. We've massively blown it as a species on that front.
Yeah, here you go: (
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10096649)
Problem with the CFP is it's not properly implemented by us, from the sound of it. I dunno if it IS better for the UK to have control of our own waters, sounds like we've royally fucked ourselves doing so in the past...
MoroseTroll on 19/6/2016 at 20:05
I would imagine the EU as a 28-seat tandem. Every country has its own seat on it, knows where to go, and pedals as strong as possible. But, due to the size and power of the passengers, some of them are more useful for their common goal, and some of them are less (no offence). But until the more powerful passengers don't mind to help the less ones, everything is fine, or it's look like.
There are many benefits to travel with such a big team: you'll never be starving or thirsty, because the more rich passengers will surely take care of you. But there will always be some problems, too: if a team member needs to pee/poop/puke, every others have to wait, see and sniff at.
Is there an alternative to that tandem, if some of the passengers would decide to travel on his own? I think so - just look around you: Switzerland, Norway, Iceland - these countries travel to the same destination, but they all have their own bikes. Can Britain travel on its own? I'm sure it can. Countries are just like humans - some of them can be all-sufficient and hospitable at the same time.
