demagogue on 8/7/2018 at 10:15
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The BMG survey for The Independent showed more people thinking it was wrong to invite him to Britain, supporting protests against him and thinking Theresa May should be more critical of her opposite number. But it also revealed a pragmatic streak in public opinion, with more people thinking the UK should make “every effort” to oblige the US leader and believing a quick trade deal is possible after Brexit.
Lol in thinking that Trump wants to make a trade deal more advantageous to the UK. XD
Have they been paying attention to anything coming from the American cesspool? Trump wants to wage a trade war with the UK and other allies by irrationally hiking tariffs and making them economically suffer, even at the cost of the US suffering more. In part that was just really bad timing that these two movements coincided, but it's shit show enough without the delusional ridiculousness of people still insisting that something good can come out of this.
nickie on 8/7/2018 at 12:49
I'm not sure the people's will counts for much and nothing good will come of it.
As well as Russia reportedly giving a load of dosh to UKIP (very pro-leave) it now seems that (
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44704561) "The official Brexit campaign is expected to be found guilty of four charges of breaking electoral law".
I've not heard anything official about dodgy dealings on the Remain side (there may be) but this sort of news about one side's campaign doesn't give you much confidence in the process.
I don't think I know a single exiteer who feels anything other than complete contempt for Trump and couldn't care less about trade, they just don't want immigrants.
(Hope you're alright where you are, dema)
Medlar on 9/7/2018 at 09:52
You have it right Gray, it’s lose lose. Previous Prime Minister Cameron thought he couldn’t lose a referendum and for his own benefit ploughed into a stupid stupid decision.
We are now suffering the consequences and will carry on suffering for many years to come. There is a move to rerun the referendum but then what does that say about democracy in this country? It is a huge political mess created by the right wing of the Conservative party.
Rant over...
SD on 9/7/2018 at 20:08
There were always plenty of Brexit options on the table - EEA (Norway), EFTA (Switzerland), Canada-style agreement etc - but the headbangers wanted the impossible; single market membership without freedom of movement.
It's taken them 18 months to realise that you can't pick and choose which of the four freedoms of the European Union you want, and that you take them all or you take nothing.
I'm still hoping that Brexit can be stopped, or at least be the softest of Brexits, although quite frankly the British deserve to be hoofed out without a deal and with the inevitable mega recession and chaos that would follow. At least then people may finally realise what the benefits of being in the EU were.
What a monumentally pointless act of self-harm this entire fiasco has been. And all so David Cameron could stop haemmorhaging a few votes to a disorganised rabble of borderline racists led by that braying arse-pimple Farage.
Starker on 10/7/2018 at 02:18
I don't know if there ever were that many options. EFTA doesn't really want UK, for example. And Switzerland has negotiated bilateral agreements for decades to make it kind of sort of work. And EEA is politically unacceptable in the UK. And the Canada-style agreement (a free trade deal, basically) is politically risky in that it would create a "hard border" between Northern Ireland and Ireland.
Pyrian on 10/7/2018 at 02:39
I don't see how they're going to have immigration controls and basically no border control (around Northern Ireland). I really don't see any way to shimmy out of that contradiction. Those interests are straight-up competing.
demagogue on 10/7/2018 at 07:29
I read some proposal about treating N. Ireland specially and having the strict immigration and customs control between N. Ireland and Britain. I didn't think that could be serious (it's like saying you're okay with N. Ireland not being fully British), but I also couldn't think of how they were going to do it in any way that wouldn't involve some form of that, short of admitting that strict border control was an unworkable idea to begin with.
The question I have though is, with these latest Brexit resignations, who do you think has the worse job, being a Brexit handler or a Trump handler? A Mattis or a May? Both of them have the sad task of trying to control the uncontrollable, to win the unwinnable, to improbably squeeze some kind of benefit out of something dead set on wreaking havoc ... all the while with a raging public demanding the impossible.
Pyrian on 10/7/2018 at 07:49
Brexit doesn't tweet.
(Not literally, anyway. Plenty is tweeted ABOUT it, of course. But that's not the same.)
Starker on 10/7/2018 at 07:49
Just judging by the number of people that have quit, I'd say the Americans win on that one. And by win I mean lose.
Pyrian on 10/7/2018 at 07:51
If I'm not mistaken, nobody in Brexit negotiations is even contemplating the sort of trade wars that Trump has been avidly pursuing since someone inadvisably let him know that he doesn't need congressional approval to do it.