Vae on 15/6/2016 at 02:16
To Brexit or not to Brexit?...That is the question!
Let's get this party started!...
[video=youtube;VIEt_tZCHbM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIEt_tZCHbM[/video]
Edit:
Final Results...UK Votes to LEAVE the EU
Inline Image:
http://i.imgur.com/e1CVUUA.png
The Brain on 15/6/2016 at 05:29
Get out Britain while you can!
Vae on 15/6/2016 at 05:50
Before it's too late!...:eek:
Thirith on 15/6/2016 at 06:39
While I have a UK passport, I've never lived in the UK (other than in Glasgow for a couple of months back in 2000). I don't think I could vote, but if I could I'd very much vote remain. The EU is deeply flawed, but I think it's more important to repair and improve it than to leave. I find the current return to nationalism that's happening throughout Europe wrongheaded, a naive and dangerous form of nostalgia - the problems the world faces aren't national ones, by and large, they are international. In addition, there have been many important regulations (e.g. with respect to workers' rights and environmental protection) that were pretty much brought about by Europe; I don't trust the current UK government to act in the long-term interests of anyone other than big business and the financial industry.
faetal on 15/6/2016 at 08:16
Remain. I have yet to hear a single valid argument for leave which is rooted in facts. I've heard plenty of good reasons to leave based on misunderstandings of how the EU works and a lot of very naive ones which assume the UK is still some kind of power to be reckoned with. Europe is a great group of countries and the UK isn't in the top 50% for quality of life, income equality or social mobility, so I don't think it's the EU bringing the UK down, but a little bit vice-versa.
The other thing I find inane is the disdain people seem to have for other countries voting on things which affect the UK, despite all of the other countries also having to accept those things and the fact that in the UK, other constituencies in the UK vote on things which affect yours - they're also people you'll never meet who may have completely different needs to you, which leads me to think that the main objection is that it's foreign people.
Of course, I remain open to correction.
demagogue on 15/6/2016 at 09:24
The EU has spent the last 70-odd years negotiating agreements on 1000 different cross-border issues that Brexit just forces the UK to have to re-do now under prejudice to just work out the same agreements but worse. People that think it's going to defend UK sovereignty or whatever will find that not much can even really change practically on the regulatory front, even if people wanted it to (not that they care about the actual mechanics of trade & services regulation and economies of scale), but people that depend on some EU program or another will find life harder without them. Real costs and imaginary benefits.
faetal on 15/6/2016 at 09:27
Quote Posted by demagogue
Real costs and imaginary benefits.
POW! That's it in a nutshell.
Gryzemuis on 15/6/2016 at 10:31
It's a matter of principle.
People should be ruled by the people themselves. The larger the scale of an organization, the further away the decision process will be. Democracy starts around the corner. Not 1000 kilometers away. It's hard enough to convince your local Town Hall to do something, even if you have a large group in your town that wants something. Trying to convince your local government is almost impossible these day. Trying to achieve something on european scale will be impossible. Governments are autonomous bodies that, once in power, kinda don't have to explain or justify why they do things. Nobody is ever accountable. When the scale of governement grows, that becomes even larger. Corruption will become worse. Cronyism will become worse. Large corporations will pay huge sums of money to lobby for their cause. But a simple civilian will have no say in any matter any more.
Small scale is always better. More honest. More fair. More efficient. More accessible. More accountable. More human.
Fuck the EU.
Chimpy Chompy on 15/6/2016 at 10:50
I have my reservations about the EU and was undecided for a long time. I don't really know what consequences of leaving would be. But, eh, probably in our economic interests to remain? Also without any EU law to adhere to our Tory overlords might become even more villainous.
faetal on 15/6/2016 at 10:50
There is no small scale government option on the table and physical proximity to the people making the decisions matters not a jot. The UK government is fucking the UK people more than the EU ever could. In fact, the UK government has had trouble from the EU because some of the ways it has fucked over disabled people who can't work is against EU human rights directives. The EU is very far from ideal, but remaining a member is definitely the lesser of two evils where the UK is concerned.
[EDIT] Ninja'd by Chimpy.