PigLick on 12/2/2006 at 07:40
c'mon, you cant be saying you hate ALL jazz, its a pretty broad genre. "In the Mood" - the Glen miller band, now you cant be hating that.
Stitch on 12/2/2006 at 07:56
Well, you got me there. Nobody could possibly hate that song.
I can get into a great many other genres of music that conceivably fall under jazz, I suppose. I just wikipedia'd jazz and the first picture they have is Louie Armstrong, who is awesome.
I think when it comes down to it I just can't stand bebop.
I was kind of hoping you'd be the one to regulate on this issue :cool:
Aja on 12/2/2006 at 09:19
Kind of Blue isn't bebop.
Para?noid on 12/2/2006 at 10:15
I'm kind of fucking tired of your adolesecent music voyage. Jazz exists in circles because it's for old people and musicians. SHUT THE FUCK UP
PigLick on 12/2/2006 at 12:12
yeh well apparently bebop was a deliberate move to shut out the less 'talented' musicians, the guys who couldnt keep up with the complexity of improvisation needed. An 'Elite' club if you will. Then it developed into what most people regard as jazz today. You gotta remember that once jazz was the pop music of its day (Louis Armstrong et al). The bottom line is you have to be good at your instrument to play jazz properly/well, which is why it has such a snooty clique about it.
so yeh its music for musicians, mostly.
Phydeaux on 12/2/2006 at 14:02
Quote Posted by Stitch
Nobody could possibly hate that song.
I fucking hate it. All Glenn Miller in fact. I'd probably hate less if I didn't have to play that song every year for 5 years in junior/high school. I dislike most big-band; I prefer smaller bands where individual musicans are more prominant (whereas big band is more about the composer/band leader).
As for bebop, there's good bebop and bad bebop. Good bebop is great. Bad bebop just sounds like mindless noodling.
Miles Davis is not bebop. More to the point, it's the opposite of bebop. It's anti-bebop.
Back on the topic of blues, you absolutely must get at least a couple
live BB King and Stevie Ray Vaughn albums. Studio stuff is OK, but no substitute for live.
Rug Burn Junky on 12/2/2006 at 18:31
Quote Posted by Phydeaux
Miles Davis is not bebop. More to the point, it's the opposite of bebop. It's anti-bebop.
You can not get more wrong than that.
Miles came of age playing bebop music in the 40's, and everything he did with his small ensembles (not counting, obviously, the orchestral stuff he did with Gil Evans) was a natural extension of that until he went electric in the mid to late 60's and created fusion.
Granted, he innovated the fuck out of it, but Kind of Blue is one of the prototypical hard bop albums of all time.
Scots Taffer on 12/2/2006 at 22:43
Okay, aside from the wankery, I'll say that I already own Kind of Blue and like a fair whack of it, but as I said it seems Blues is more of my thing and I don't consider it Blues - so everyone SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Now I fully intended to blow a wad of my first pay on a couple of blues albums at the weekend, but unfortunately Shug and his girl came over, ate all the food in my house, got very drunk and stayed over... so I didn't get to bed until around 6am on Sunday morning, the same day I intended to buy aforementioned Blues.
So yeah, basically, I'm posting to say that Shug yakked in my bathroom and I have RIGHTEOUS PAYBACK VIA INTERNET*. :cool:
* it wasn't the delicious garlic and chilli prawns served on a bed of mescalin salad nor the penne al salmone that I made that caused said sickness either
PigLick on 13/2/2006 at 00:46
haha shugs reputation is tarnished.
theBlackman on 13/2/2006 at 09:41
Blind Boy Fuller, Big Bill Broonzy, Dave Van Ronk, Sonny Terry, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Earl Fatha Heines, Reverend Gary Davis for good Delta and Chicago Blues.
For piano stylings or "jazz" blues, Louie Armstrong, Oscar Peterson, Fats Waller, Jelly Roll Morton, to name a few.
