Eshaktaar on 31/1/2004 at 19:53

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Since I've kind of lost track what's being discussed, here's a link to one of those incredibly stupid and offending (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp) Chick Tracts. Enjoy what some people come up with in the name of religion :tsktsk:

theBlackman on 31/1/2004 at 22:16

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Everyone is into controlling people. You, me, and the rest of the world, religious bent or not.

"We" want things our way, and don't want too much interference.

Don't be fooling yourself. ;)

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Originally posted by GayleSaver
Noted. But you will, in turn, note that I was speaking for Jews in general.
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You can't speak for "jews in general", you have neither the authority, responsiblity, or priviledge to do so.

You can speak for yourself, and perhaps, a limited number of your acquaintances. But it ends there. Beyond that it becomes demagogic, and only your preferences.

theBlackman on 31/1/2004 at 23:02

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A "source" is the opinion of a third party. I reiterate. You can only speak for yourself. You can use arguments from other sources as assisting you in forming your beliefs or opinions. But, you are presumptive, and arrogant to "speak" for others who have not specifically appointed you to do so.

It is very like me "speaking for" the president of the USA, or any other titular head. Regardless of references or citations, I have not the authority to do so. So, I as you, am only able to speak for myself, not-with-standing that I speak "about" others.

GayleSaver on 31/1/2004 at 23:09

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Well, I'll concede that. But let me put it this way: Jews needn't respect the Messianics. And by and large they don't - as you can verify. First half is opinion, second half is fact.

*Zaccheus* on 1/2/2004 at 00:54

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Ok, GayleSaver, it's understandable that orthodox jews do not want their fellow jews to become christians.

But let me put it this way. If a jewish believer does become a christian, surely he/she should not abandon his/her jewish roots and culture, but should nurture and celebrate them.

Or does the orthodox jewish community feel so insecure that such behaviour would be seen as a threat to their identity? That's not a dig, but a genuine question.