Gingerbread Man on 29/1/2004 at 00:40
I think we all see a pretty goddamned evident pattern of descent with modification, "Zaccheus"
You haven't run across mutation? Inheritance?
What about black people and white people? Ever run into any of them? Animals with nictitating mebranes? Birds? You ever notice all the different sorts of birds?
For fuck's sake, I think I'm just going to give up trying to explain to people what Darwin's theory of evolution is. It's not a difficult concept, but it seems Creationists are so thick-skulled as to immediately assume it a) means humans came from monkeys and b) that it is antithetical to Creationism.
ANIMALS' PHYSIOLOGY SOMETIMES CHANGES.
IF THE CHANGE IS ADAPTIVE THEY PRODUCE MORE KIDS THAN THE ANIMALS THAT DIDN'T CHANGE.
GENES ARE PASSED ON IN A STEPWISE REFINEMENT OF AN ANIMAL TO ITS ENVIRONMENT.
*Zaccheus* on 29/1/2004 at 00:42
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Originally posted by Chimpy Chompy There is no "belief in science". Let's knock that crap on the head. You can trust those who have used scientific methodoloy themselves but that's blatantly not the same thing.
Unless I double check all the science myself, it does come down to who I believe.
Ok, that's not "belief in science". But there is also a belief in the reliability of science that could be questioned.
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GBM, I got no problem with adaption. In fact that kind of diversification is essential for my belief that there were very few species when Noah built his ark.
But I think you'll agree that most people mean 'evolution from microbs to mamals', something which I do not believe happend.
Gingerbread Man on 29/1/2004 at 00:49
Then most people are ignorant, and I can't help them.
Uncia on 29/1/2004 at 00:49
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Originally posted by *Zaccheus* Who here has truely investigated evolution and come to their own conclusion that it must be true, based on first hand scientific discoveries.
What the fuck, is the theory of evolution just something that gets mentioned by the side in the US schooling system? Don't you people have biology? I think [at least] the basic principles of it are correct, because I'd spent 8 years in school learning the details of animal development, how their organs changed and using that to see where species branched off. It's pretty hard to learn the entire development of the digestive system, tracing its slow incrementations through a few dozen species, each more complex, then claim "yeah... But it's just a coincidence y0."
John D. on 29/1/2004 at 00:50
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For fuck's sake, I think I'm just going to give up trying to explain to people what Darwin's theory of evolution is. It's not a difficult concept, but it seems Creationists are so thick-skulled as to immediately assume it a) means humans came from monkeys and b) that it is antithetical to Creationism.
No one says animals dont adapt to differing environments, it's just that Creationists dont believe humanity arrived on the scene that way. I've taken biology classes myself, not to mention the fact I'm a college graduate (Orignially a history major, but I switched to gen studies because I didnt want to bother with the foriegn language requirement) so I dont rate in the 'ignorant' department. When I see the anatomical structure of the human body, I view it as a wonderful God-designed machine-not a chance result of evolutionary process.
ignatios on 29/1/2004 at 00:51
STOP
PLEASE
STOP
IT HURTS
*Zaccheus* on 29/1/2004 at 00:58
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Originally posted by Uncia What the fuck, is the theory of evolution just something that gets mentioned by the side in the US schooling system? Don't you people have biology? I think [at least] the basic principles of it are correct, because I'd spent 8 years in school learning the details of animal development, how their organs changed and using that to see where species branched off. It's pretty hard to learn the entire development of the digestive system, tracing its slow incrementations through a few dozen species, each more complex, then claim "yeah... But it's just a coincidence y0."
I think most kids are just shown a few charts and pictures and are expected to believe what they are told.
Few people really investigate it for themselves.
And most of the time that kind of teaching is fine, I mean that's how our education system works.
Crion on 29/1/2004 at 01:00
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Originally posted by ignatios STOP
PLEASE
STOP
IT HURTS
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Convict on 29/1/2004 at 01:01
Sorry for the triple threads GBM - if its against the rules I'll stop (I was just trying to make threads easier to read). BTW who are the 4 horsemen of the thread apocalypse?:joke:
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Quoting Strontium DogSo they re-wrote the gospels to lay the blame squarely at the feet of the Jews who refused to save him in favour of Barabbas, rather than the Romans who executed hm (after all Pilate gave the people a chance to save Jesus, which is more than reasonable). And they permanently excluded a number of other gospels which differed so greatly from the true version of events that a rewrite would be impossible.
The gospel account I have found is from Tatian written c. AD 170. Constatine lived c. 280 - 337 AD (he stopped persecution of Christians). Therefore I think you are clearly wrong about the gospels being changed.
WOW!!! In the last month and a half we've had the abortion debate, does God exist debate, and now it looks like the (supposedly?)evolution debate!!! TTLG is pure class!
GBM can I ask you if Darwin's theory of evolution is falsifiable?
buglunch on 29/1/2004 at 01:04
This pain "builds character", ignatios. Trust me. :sly:
Ignorant fundamentalist literalist "piety" is damaging the entire world as we speak, via the Whitehouse and other huts.
Concealed weapons in Mormon churches is a needful and good thing?? Why do so many Americans act as if they live in the Gaza Strip or Kabul? This communal insanity buttessed by the Bible would be considered certifiably nutso everywhere else but in the "religious" war hotspots scattered around the globe. Should all Irish carry Uzis to church because of Luke (the doctor, OMFGawd, teh irony)?
