Rolander on 4/5/2006 at 07:35
That was a tough fight cos my lvl 20 strict non-power/stat level female redguard in full ebony armour kept getting paralysed and hacked up, the Redoran Archmaster would have been a pushover in comparison. After a lucky break using a bound spear to poke from range, I looted the bodies and found two silver swords of paralysis ... and my jaw dropped at the damage stats:
Daedric Katana vs Silver Sword:
Chop: 3-44 vs 20-45
Slash: 1-40 vs 12-25
Thrust: 1-14 vs 8-20
Where in Tamriel did Fort Frostmarch get those swords while the other legions get issued with silly imperial toothpicks of broadswords?
Pisces on 4/5/2006 at 08:47
Well with all the controversial activity which happens around Fort Frostmoth and Raven rock then I wouldn't be surprised if the captain was skimming profits for his own personal weapons collection.
If you think that imbalance is bad, you should look at the silver staff.
Daedric/BM silver
2-16/20-45
3-16/20-45
1-12/15-30
And both staves (is that a word?) have 1.75 speed making it quite powerful. But daedric has 1200 health while the silver staff of paralysis only has 270.
Daedric katana has 1.5 speed and 4800 health while silver longsword has 1.35 speed and 720 health. To begin with the silver longsword would be slightly more powerful but the daedric katana would kill a tough enemy faster.
But yes, those weapons are unbalanced and totally unrealistic that the legion would have them.
The axes you get are both worse than daedric, though they are both better than ebony, the nordic silver one you only get through having the guy with you is quite a lot better than ebony (it even has high health) but is still worse than daedric.
Rolander on 4/5/2006 at 13:16
Hmm, so when I go back to the main quest with the Spear of the Hunter, will it be overkill? Roleplay wise, I'm really going with the "Guile" answer ... and I like the spear class weapons for their reach ... with good footspeed can charge up a thrust to hit them hard at extreme range and pull back before most enemies can hit back. Or the inventive can find positions to poke them safely from cover, or even flying over their heads and stabbing from above (that was how she finally took care of the 5 spriggans after her best attempt in 15 min took out 3 before the last 2 knocked her down).
Is is true that in Oblivion spear class weapons are gone? I only know that their are only blades, blunts, axes and unarmed weapon classes in Oblivion cos I haven't gotten it yet since my PC isn't quite up to it (I guess I could run it but it would have horrid framerates).
[Followup]
After an all-night gaming session, I reached the end of Bloodmoon. Those werewolves hit hard and knock down my redguard easily, so I had to plod on slowly and take them down one by one, even with the backup help. I used the big-damage silver sword for the werewolves while I still have support since if we boxed in a werewolf between us it never got much chance to attack. However, once on my own, Sheogarath's Spear came out cos if I get knocked down its a guaranteed death ...
I was thankful for the pillars in the final arena, cos I can put one between myself and the giant/Hircine and step around for the spear thrust. I got careless with the giant on my first attempt after slowly whittling it down to 1/4, so first-hit knockdown second-hit kill. So I reloaded and resigned myself to the slow hide-and-take-every-cheap-poke. Same with the guile form of Hircine, though I got a scare once when he/it caught me in the open and I got affected by the Burden effect of the spear (can't move!). Fortunately I never got paralysised and eventually wore him down without taking further hits. A sweet spear, but the pointed end looks lame compared to Sheogarath's barbed spear. I'm really gonna miss spears when I get Oblivion.
Pisces on 5/5/2006 at 02:00
Na, I don't think the spear of the hunter is overkill. It is only slightly more powerful then spear of bitter mercy. Infact if you use spear of bitter mercy's enchantment cleverly then you can be quite powerful while the spear of the hunter's enchantment is likely to be all used up on cliff racers or reflected right back at you!
Its a bloody shame they took out spears in oblivion. But they wanted to have less skills and apparently spear is people's least favourite weapon. Not to mention they wanted the combat to be more "exciting" and attacking the enemy when knowing they can't reach you isn't supposedly exciting.
RIP spears...I'll miss you!
I also loved spears because they always had the coolest enchantments on them, even though they were rare. eg. Illrock (or something along that name), Greed, spear of bitter mercy, spear of the hunter.
Rolander on 5/5/2006 at 07:01
Quote Posted by Pisces
Na, I don't think the spear of the hunter is overkill. It is only slightly more powerful then spear of bitter mercy. Infact if you use spear of bitter mercy's enchantment cleverly then you can be quite powerful while the spear of the hunter's enchantment is likely to be all used up on cliff racers or reflected right back at you!.
I dunno about Bitter Mercy's enchantment. I never found a use for the Storm Atronach in Morrowind and the times I called it in Bloodmoon, it got royally owned (those werewolves seemed to eat it as a snack!). Unless I use it for magicka recharge (yup, my redguard gal is under the Atronach sign, 50% negate spell effect is priceless) and soul-trapping ...
Hmm, reflect ... I haven't thought of that; never encountered it. Maybe I should go get the Strength amulet ...
There are some cheese associated with spears and levitation/boots of speed but it was real exciting in the werewolf maze for I was slowly creeping round trying to draw the werewolves to attack one by one and a heartstopper to attack them with Bitter Mercy since a mistake can be lethal if they knock me down. The narrow confines doesn't give me much room to dodge around either; and worst of all my heavy nordic mail seem to do crap against their attacks!
Illiruik (or something) served as a 'starting' spear for me and the nighteye was useful in dungeons or when my Breton was half-blind from the cheese boots ...
Pisces on 5/5/2006 at 07:56
Those werewolves are powerful no matter what weapon you are using, maybe with an exception of the silver staff of paralysis, and the uber weapons: mace of Aevar stone singer (it counts as silver too, so against werewolfs it will do max 180 damage), Chrysamere etc. Unfortunatly there is no nordic silver spear or silver spear of paralysis which would have helped you but you seem to have passed the werewolves anyway.
Rolander on 5/5/2006 at 17:32
Hmm well I finally start running into problems caused by the Spear of the Hunter's effect being reflected back onto me, but so far it hasn't been overly dangerous since my clothes were enchanted to constantly restore health/fatigue and hence I normally run around with near max health. After Bloodmoon, Morrowind seems tame so far ...
As for recharging ... well, I got Azura's Star around and make it a point to Soultrap almost anything I kill and use it to recharge my stuff ... this also had the side effect of rocketing my Enchant skill (which is a major skill) so my levels also kept climbing. It got irritating when the Paralysis effect rebound off the Atronachs and Sixth House minions but so far it just a nuisence as they can't seem to dent my health while I remain motionless ...
Anyway I'm thinking of self-enchanting a spear ... so I got a glass halberd and a daedric spear ... and I thinking of putting some low level adsorb health on the glass halberd, but since I enchanted the constant restore health attire it seem moot except in tough fights. Supposedly Adsorb Health can't seem to reflect; I had an adsorb health halberd on a previous char and never saw it reflect ...
Qaladar on 5/5/2006 at 21:01
An absorb health is a 2 part spell... damage on the target, and heal on you. When it gets reflected, the damage lands on you but then the heal lands on you also thus they cancel each other out. That is why it is generally superior as a cast when strikes effect.
